(VICT) Re: Off-leash?

  • From: "Ann Edie" <annedie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 03:49:46 -0400

Hi, Sandy,

Sandy, I'm completely with you on the issue of off-leash play for guide 
dogs--train for off-leash obedience for the few accidental situations when 
it will be absolutely essential, but don't turn the dog loose for play or 
exercise except in known, safe, enclosed places.

Back in the dark ages when I went to TSE for my first guide dog, as part of 
our training they read us a letter from Peter Putnam to the school.  In the 
letter, Mr. Putnam describes how his guide dog, a black German shepherd, was 
struck by a car and killed in her prime, because he let her go out to 
relieve off leash.  He was visiting his parents' home in a rural area where 
the road had little traffic at any time, and this was late at night when 
there were virtually no cars on the road at all.  He also said that his dog 
always stayed close to him even when off leash.  But for some reason, on 
that particular night, the dog suddenly darted across the road, and just at 
that same moment a car came driving down the road.  The driver could not see 
the black dog in the dark of night, and so there was no way to prevent the 
tragic loss of his dog.  Mr. Putnam was devastated by the death of his dog, 
and on top of that he bore the burden of guilt for his neglegence and for 
squandering the large investment of time, effort, and money which had gone 
into the dog's breeding, raising, and training.

This letter was included in the instruction given to all Seeing Eye classes 
in order to impress upon us the need to keep our dogs under control and on 
leash at all times and to remind us that even an instant of lapse of 
protocol can result in irreparable harm.  I don't know if TSE still includes 
this letter among its required instructional materials, but I know that I, 
for one, still recall Mr. Putnam's letter whenever I am tempted to take 
chances with the safety of my guides, even though they are not Seeing Eye 
dogs.

Even with maximum attention to safety, proper training, and protocol, we 
cannot prevent all accidents and tragedies.  But letting my valuable and 
beloved guides run in unfenced areas off leash is a risk I have not been 
willing to take simply to give the dog a chance to exercise or play with 
other dogs.  I find many opportunities to allow the dog to play and relax in 
safe, enclosed places, and I think guide work provides plenty of physical 
exercise for the dog.

I agree with others who have said that pet owners sometimes have different 
ideas about what a dog needs and what is natural for dogs.  But that doesn't 
mean that I need to cave in to their opinions.  I will try to give my guides 
all the exercise, opportunity for social interaction, stress relief, 
companionship, and whatever else the animal needs, to maintain its emotional 
as well as physical and mental health and well being.  But I will not take 
unnecessary risks with the guide's safety, any more than I would take 
needless risks with my own safety.

I do see the great value in doing obedience work off leash, first in 
enclosed spaces, and only gradually in places with more exposure and more 
distractions, and then perhaps using a light long line as an additional 
safety measure as well as a training tool.  I practice recalls in many 
locations, not just during formal obedience exercises, but also just from 
time to time when I don't even need the animal to do anything for me.  I 
just call him/her, and when he/she comes to me, I click and treat and make a 
big, happy fuss, then release the guide.  In this way, I hope to build a 
very strong reinforcement history for that rare moment when the animal gets 
loose accidentally or I drop my leash.

As a matter of fact, with Panda I have been putting in place another small 
insurance policy, that is, I have been reinforcing her for picking up her 
leash when I drop it and handing it back to me.  I'm hoping that if I ever 
do drop her leash inadvertently when we're out and about, that she will be 
so accustomed to picking the leash up and handing it to me that she will 
pause long enough to do this even in very distracting circumstances, and 
that this pause will give me time to regain control of her, with her help, 
no less!

Best to all.

Ann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Infinitepaws@xxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Off-leash?


> Ok, I didn't mean to stir up a hornet's nest! The reason I asked was due 
> to
> a client commenting that she thought it sad and unfair that I did not let 
> Alex
> off leash in a public place. I have also heard of guide dog users who
> routinely  do this.This is a park that isnt fenced and is surrounded by 
> fairly busy
> streets, There is a pond and dogs are allowed off leash to play and to 
> swim
> in  the pond. For those who know Denver , it is Wash Park. I explained 
> that
> Alex is  too valuable to me as a guide and as my dog, to risk it. Yes, she 
> has a
> awesome  recall and yes she can even be recalled off of really interesting
> stuff. But, as  I pointed out, it only takes one mistake and one second 
> for her
> to get hurt  or killed. I dont know the dogs that are there and it isnt 
> fenced.
> I pointed  this out to her and highly advised her to not do it. In 
> addition,
> all I would  need now is a dogfight after last week, to really wreck 
> things..
> sigh..
>
> There are a lot of folks who wonder why I work on off-leash obedience , if 
> I
> dont intend to have her off leash.. Because, there will always be that one
> time when you need it..when she slips out of a gate, when she is attacked 
> and I
> drop her leash, when I drop her leash if i trip and fall. I do work in
> different  folks fenced yards and with her dragging a longline alot.. and 
> I hope to
> god I  never need it.
>
> Sandy Foushee
> Infinite Paws-Abilities Training and Service  Dogs
> Teamed with Alexandra Guide/Service Dog
> Colorado Service/Assistance  Dog Club - Trainer.-
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