[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: Al Gutz <alg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:11:05 -0400

And test by the agency that monitors quality of food and drugs have 
tested bottled water and find it is mostly straight out of the tap.

Al G

Andrew Rose wrote:

> how much is your bottled water if that's more then 4.00 gallon for gas I
> think ill stay here and not complain
> Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
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> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:43 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought
> and Consideration
> 
> 
> 
>>Still less than our bottled water.;-)
>>
>>-Ed-
>>Tel-Tek Electronics
>>Ontario-Canada
>>
>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Eric Manuel" <tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:20 AM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> 
> Thought
> 
>>and Consideration
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>>
>>
>>>Hi Andrew are you folks trying to keep up with Canada our gas is $1.15
>>>a liter,,Eric
>>>
>>>
>>>   Eric
>>>E M Electronics
>>>59 Wights Rd
>>>Deer Lake NL
>>>Canada
>>>A8A 2J2
>>>Ph# 709 635 2627
>>>tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Andrew Rose wrote:
>>>
>>>>in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas from
>>
>>2.79
>>
>>>>to 3.29 over night
>>>>Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett"
>>
>><cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
>>
>>>>"Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
>>>><usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> 
> "Greg
> 
>>And
>>
>>>>Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
>>>><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
>>>><listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
>>
>>Thought
>>
>>>>and Consideration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do
> 
> will
> 
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here,
> 
> it
> 
>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why
>>
>>there
>>
>>>>>isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where the
>>>>>government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
>>>>>The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by the
>>
>>cost
>>
>>>>>of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
>>>>
>>>>enjoying
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
>>>>
>>>>hospitals,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>etc. like mad.
>>>>>Jerry Silverman
>>>>>Greentron Inc
>>>>>4 Newland Ave
>>>>>Greenville SC 29609
>>>>>Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
>>>>>mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
>>>>><jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
>>>>
>>>>"George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
>>>>><etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> 
> <wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
> 
>>>>>"RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
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>><repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
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>>>>><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
>>>>>Consideration
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
>>>>>>prices,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
>>>>>>one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
>>>>>>ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
>>>>>>year after year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
>>>>>>suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
>>>>>>several months in a row.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
>>>>>>on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
>>>>>>that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
>>>>>>labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
>>>>>>UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
>>>>>>of similar messages that have been circulating since
>>>>>>1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
>>>>>>that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
>>>>>>hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
>>>>>>their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
>>>>>>proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
>>>>>>called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
>>>>>>and had n
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>based upon flawed premises. This year's
>>>>>>version is no
>>>>>>different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
>>>>>>of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
>>>>>>to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
>>>>>>their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
>>>>>>"gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
>>>>>>gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
>>>>>>one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
>>>>>>all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
>>>>>>"hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
>>>>>>billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
>>>>>>under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
>>>>>>purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
>>>>>>usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
>>>>>>be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
>>>>>>to lose any money at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
>>>>>>of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
>>>>>>product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
>>>>>>the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
>>>>>>without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
>>>>>>calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
>>>>>>buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
>>>>>>shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
>>>>>>out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
>>>>>>actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
>>>>>>hollow one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
>>>>>>feel a bit better about things by providing them a
>>>>>>chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
>>>>>>but the action won't have any real impact on retail
>>>>>>prices. An effective protest would involve something
>>>>>>like organizing people to forswear the use of their
>>>>>>cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
>>>>>>demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
>>>>>>prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
>>>>>>move to carpooling and public transportation for the
>>>>>>long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
>>>>>>however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
>>>>>>being done without.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
>>>>>>of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
>>>>>>hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
>>>>>>chain, service station operators ? the people who have
>>>>>>the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
>>>>>>"gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
>>>>>>wrong person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
>>>>>>made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
>>>>>>levels of participation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
>>>>>>subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
>>>>>>No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
>>>>>>lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
>>>>>>ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
>>>>>>Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
>>>>>>would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
>>>>>>less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
>>>>>>models, solutions they find unappealing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
>>>>>>good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
>>>>>>message. In this case, though, the only message being
>>>>>>sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
>>>>>>that we can't even do without it for a few days to
>>>>>>demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
>>>>>>supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
>>>>>>lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
>>>>>>"message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
>>>>>>gasoline for several months in a row.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike Barnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>____________________________________________________
>>>>>>Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
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