[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: Andrew Rose <badandy2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:37:48 -0400

I guess I will stay here being my truck don't run on liters only gallons
hehe
Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Hartigan" <hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought
and Consideration


> Here in NewBrunswick it's 1.30 a liter.That's about 5.85 a gallon.I'll
take
> your 3.29 a gallon in a heart beat.............
> Don of HARTS-TVCR"ASC"
> 9 Robert St.,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> Tel#506-357-9785,Fax#506-357-6010
> hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Rose" <badandy2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:29 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
Thought
> and Consideration
>
>
> > you know you really know how to hurt a guy
> > Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Manuel" <tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:20 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> > Thought
> > and Consideration
> >
> >
> >> Hi Andrew are you folks trying to keep up with Canada our gas is $1.15
> >> a liter,,Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>    Eric
> >> E M Electronics
> >> 59 Wights Rd
> >> Deer Lake NL
> >> Canada
> >> A8A 2J2
> >> Ph# 709 635 2627
> >> tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew Rose wrote:
> >> > in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas from
> > 2.79
> >> > to 3.29 over night
> >> > Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett"
> > <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
> >> > "Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
> >> > <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"Greg
> > And
> >> > Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> >> > <wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
> >> > <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
> >> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> > Thought
> >> > and Consideration
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do
will
> >> >
> >> > have
> >> >
> >> >>little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here,
it
> >> >
> >> > will
> >> >
> >> >>just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why
> > there
> >> >>isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where
the
> >> >>government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
> >> >>The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by the
> > cost
> >> >>of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
> >> >
> >> > enjoying
> >> >
> >> >>the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
> >> >
> >> > hospitals,
> >> >
> >> >>etc. like mad.
> >> >>Jerry Silverman
> >> >>Greentron Inc
> >> >>4 Newland Ave
> >> >>Greenville SC 29609
> >> >>Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
> >> >>mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
> >> >><jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
> >> >
> >> > "George
> >> >
> >> >>Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
> >> >><etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> >> >><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
> >> >>"RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> > <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >> >><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
> >> >>Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
> >> >>Consideration
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
> >> >>>prices,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>    Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
> >> >>>one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
> >> >>>ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
> >> >>>year after year.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
> >> >>>suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
> >> >>>several months in a row.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
> >> >>>on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
> >> >>>that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
> >> >>>labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
> >> >>>UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
> >> >>>of similar messages that have been circulating since
> >> >>>1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
> >> >>>that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
> >> >>>hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
> >> >>>their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
> >> >>>proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
> >> >>>called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
> >> >>>and had n
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> based upon flawed premises. This year's
> >> >>>version is no
> >> >>>different.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>     First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
> >> >>>of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
> >> >>>to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
> >> >>>their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
> >> >>>"gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
> >> >>>gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
> >> >>>one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
> >> >>>all.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>    Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
> >> >>>"hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
> >> >>>billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
> >> >>>under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
> >> >>>purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
> >> >>>usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
> >> >>>be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
> >> >>>to lose any money at all.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
> >> >>>of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
> >> >>>product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
> >> >>>the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
> >> >>>without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
> >> >>>calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
> >> >>>buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
> >> >>>shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
> >> >>>out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
> >> >>>actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
> >> >>>hollow one.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
> >> >>>feel a bit better about things by providing them a
> >> >>>chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
> >> >>>but the action won't have any real impact on retail
> >> >>>prices. An effective protest would involve something
> >> >>>like organizing people to forswear the use of their
> >> >>>cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
> >> >>>demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
> >> >>>prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
> >> >>>move to carpooling and public transportation for the
> >> >>>long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
> >> >>>however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
> >> >>>being done without.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
> >> >>>of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
> >> >>>hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
> >> >>>chain, service station operators ? the people who have
> >> >>>the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
> >> >>>"gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
> >> >>>wrong person.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
> >> >>>made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
> >> >>>levels of participation.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
> >> >>>subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
> >> >>>No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
> >> >>>lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
> >> >>>ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
> >> >>>Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
> >> >>>would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
> >> >>>less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
> >> >>>models, solutions they find unappealing.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>   An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
> >> >>>good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
> >> >>>message. In this case, though, the only message being
> >> >>>sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
> >> >>>that we can't even do without it for a few days to
> >> >>>demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
> >> >>>supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
> >> >>>lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
> >> >>>"message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
> >> >>>gasoline for several months in a row.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike Barnett
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>____________________________________________________
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> >> >>>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
> >> >>>
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