[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: "Hoyt's TV" <hoytstv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:16:43 -0400

Wasn't that a Johnny Cash song?
You Dreamer, You.



Russ Hoyt
Hoyt's TV
Exeter, NH


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "peggs" <peggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought 
and Consideration


>I saw on my local news last night that the Governor of the State of 
>Illinois
> has ordered 'officials' to look into any jump of $.30 or more as 'Price
> Gouging'.
>
> My local gas station jumped from $2.37 to $2.68......and they are always
> the cheapest
> in town.
>
> Your President has open the 'National Oil Reserves'........I'm wondering 
> if
> Gas will drop by
> that same $.31 overnight ???
>
> Peggs
>
> At 07:16 AM 8/31/05, Andrew Rose wrote:
>>in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas from 2.79
>>to 3.29 over night
>>Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>>To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett" 
>><cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
>>"Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
>><usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg 
>>And
>>Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
>><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
>><listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull 
>>Thought
>>and Consideration
>>
>>
>> > This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do will
>>have
>> > little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here, it
>>will
>> > just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why 
>> > there
>> > isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where the
>> > government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
>> > The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by the 
>> > cost
>> > of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
>>enjoying
>> > the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
>>hospitals,
>> > etc. like mad.
>> > Jerry Silverman
>> > Greentron Inc
>> > 4 Newland Ave
>> > Greenville SC 29609
>> > Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
>> > mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
>> > <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
>>"George
>> > Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
>> > <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley" 
>> > <wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
>> > "RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
>> > <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>> > <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
>> > Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
>> > Consideration
>> >
>> >
>> > > To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
>> > > prices,
>> > >
>> > >     Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
>> > > one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
>> > > ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
>> > > year after year.
>> > >
>> > >    Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
>> > > suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
>> > > several months in a row.
>> > >
>> > >    This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
>> > > on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
>> > > that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
>> > > labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
>> > > UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
>> > > of similar messages that have been circulating since
>> > > 1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
>> > > that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
>> > > hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
>> > > their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
>> > > proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
>> > > called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
>> > > and had n
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >  based upon flawed premises. This year's
>> > > version is no
>> > > different.
>> > >
>> > >      First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
>> > > of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
>> > > to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
>> > > their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
>> > > "gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
>> > > gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
>> > > one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
>> > > all.
>> > >
>> > >     Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
>> > > "hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
>> > > billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
>> > > under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
>> > > purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
>> > > usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
>> > > be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
>> > > to lose any money at all.
>> > >
>> > >    By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
>> > > of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
>> > > product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
>> > > the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
>> > > without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
>> > > calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
>> > > buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
>> > > shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
>> > > out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
>> > > actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
>> > > hollow one.
>> > >
>> > >    Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
>> > > feel a bit better about things by providing them a
>> > > chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
>> > > but the action won't have any real impact on retail
>> > > prices. An effective protest would involve something
>> > > like organizing people to forswear the use of their
>> > > cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
>> > > demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
>> > > prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
>> > > move to carpooling and public transportation for the
>> > > long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
>> > > however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
>> > > being done without.
>> > >
>> > >    Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
>> > > of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
>> > > hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
>> > > chain, service station operators ? the people who have
>> > > the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
>> > > "gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
>> > > wrong person.
>> > >
>> > >    Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
>> > > made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
>> > > levels of participation.
>> > >
>> > >    Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
>> > > subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
>> > > No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
>> > > lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
>> > > ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
>> > > Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
>> > > would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
>> > > less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
>> > > models, solutions they find unappealing.
>> > >
>> > >    An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
>> > > good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
>> > > message. In this case, though, the only message being
>> > > sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
>> > > that we can't even do without it for a few days to
>> > > demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
>> > > supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
>> > > lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
>> > > "message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
>> > > gasoline for several months in a row.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Mike Barnett
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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