[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: "Don Hartigan" <hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:02:23 -0300

Here in NewBrunswick it's 1.30 a liter.That's about 5.85 a gallon.I'll take 
your 3.29 a gallon in a heart beat.............
Don of HARTS-TVCR"ASC"
9 Robert St.,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
Tel#506-357-9785,Fax#506-357-6010
hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Rose" <badandy2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought 
and Consideration


> you know you really know how to hurt a guy
> Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Manuel" <tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:20 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull 
> Thought
> and Consideration
>
>
>> Hi Andrew are you folks trying to keep up with Canada our gas is $1.15
>> a liter,,Eric
>>
>>
>>    Eric
>> E M Electronics
>> 59 Wights Rd
>> Deer Lake NL
>> Canada
>> A8A 2J2
>> Ph# 709 635 2627
>> tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Rose wrote:
>> > in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas from
> 2.79
>> > to 3.29 over night
>> > Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>> > To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett"
> <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
>> > "Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
>> > <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg
> And
>> > Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
>> > <wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
>> > <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
>> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> Thought
>> > and Consideration
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do will
>> >
>> > have
>> >
>> >>little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here, it
>> >
>> > will
>> >
>> >>just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why
> there
>> >>isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where the
>> >>government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
>> >>The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by the
> cost
>> >>of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
>> >
>> > enjoying
>> >
>> >>the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
>> >
>> > hospitals,
>> >
>> >>etc. like mad.
>> >>Jerry Silverman
>> >>Greentron Inc
>> >>4 Newland Ave
>> >>Greenville SC 29609
>> >>Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
>> >>mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
>> >><jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
>> >
>> > "George
>> >
>> >>Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
>> >><etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley" 
>> >><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
>> >>"RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>> >><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
>> >>Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
>> >>Consideration
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
>> >>>prices,
>> >>>
>> >>>    Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
>> >>>one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
>> >>>ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
>> >>>year after year.
>> >>>
>> >>>   Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
>> >>>suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
>> >>>several months in a row.
>> >>>
>> >>>   This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
>> >>>on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
>> >>>that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
>> >>>labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
>> >>>UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
>> >>>of similar messages that have been circulating since
>> >>>1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
>> >>>that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
>> >>>hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
>> >>>their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
>> >>>proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
>> >>>called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
>> >>>and had n
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> based upon flawed premises. This year's
>> >>>version is no
>> >>>different.
>> >>>
>> >>>     First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
>> >>>of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
>> >>>to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
>> >>>their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
>> >>>"gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
>> >>>gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
>> >>>one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
>> >>>all.
>> >>>
>> >>>    Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
>> >>>"hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
>> >>>billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
>> >>>under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
>> >>>purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
>> >>>usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
>> >>>be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
>> >>>to lose any money at all.
>> >>>
>> >>>   By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
>> >>>of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
>> >>>product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
>> >>>the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
>> >>>without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
>> >>>calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
>> >>>buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
>> >>>shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
>> >>>out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
>> >>>actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
>> >>>hollow one.
>> >>>
>> >>>   Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
>> >>>feel a bit better about things by providing them a
>> >>>chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
>> >>>but the action won't have any real impact on retail
>> >>>prices. An effective protest would involve something
>> >>>like organizing people to forswear the use of their
>> >>>cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
>> >>>demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
>> >>>prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
>> >>>move to carpooling and public transportation for the
>> >>>long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
>> >>>however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
>> >>>being done without.
>> >>>
>> >>>   Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
>> >>>of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
>> >>>hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
>> >>>chain, service station operators ? the people who have
>> >>>the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
>> >>>"gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
>> >>>wrong person.
>> >>>
>> >>>   Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
>> >>>made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
>> >>>levels of participation.
>> >>>
>> >>>   Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
>> >>>subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
>> >>>No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
>> >>>lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
>> >>>ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
>> >>>Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
>> >>>would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
>> >>>less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
>> >>>models, solutions they find unappealing.
>> >>>
>> >>>   An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
>> >>>good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
>> >>>message. In this case, though, the only message being
>> >>>sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
>> >>>that we can't even do without it for a few days to
>> >>>demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
>> >>>supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
>> >>>lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
>> >>>"message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
>> >>>gasoline for several months in a row.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Mike Barnett
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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