[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: Phil Bader <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:09:33 -0400

Guys- Not that I have ANY room  to talk, but isn't this at the point of 
going to "Chat" forum Vs the Techassist-B?
Phil,
 (the big shot know-it-all)
;-)

Philip Bader
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FERNAND GOGUEN wrote:

>$1.29 in New Brunswick and will go up again tonight
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Eric Manuel" <tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:20 AM
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought
>and Consideration
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>>Hi Andrew are you folks trying to keep up with Canada our gas is $1.15
>>a liter,,Eric
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>>   Eric
>>E M Electronics
>>59 Wights Rd
>>Deer Lake NL
>>Canada
>>A8A 2J2
>>Ph# 709 635 2627
>>tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>Andrew Rose wrote:
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>>>in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas from
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>2.79
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>>>to 3.29 over night
>>>Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
>>>To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett"
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><cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
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>>>"Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
>>><usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg
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>And
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>>>Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
>>><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
>>><listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
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>Thought
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>>>and Consideration
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>>>>This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do will
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>>>have
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>>>>little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here, it
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>>>will
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>>>>just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why
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>there
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>>>>isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where the
>>>>government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
>>>>The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by the
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>cost
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>>>>of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
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>>>enjoying
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>>>>the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
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>>>hospitals,
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>>>>etc. like mad.
>>>>Jerry Silverman
>>>>Greentron Inc
>>>>4 Newland Ave
>>>>Greenville SC 29609
>>>>Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
>>>>mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
>>>><jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
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>>>"George
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>>>>Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
>>>><etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley" <wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
>>>>"RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
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><repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
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>>>><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
>>>>Consideration
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>>>>>To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
>>>>>prices,
>>>>>
>>>>>   Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
>>>>>one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
>>>>>ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
>>>>>year after year.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
>>>>>suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
>>>>>several months in a row.
>>>>>
>>>>>  This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
>>>>>on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
>>>>>that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
>>>>>labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
>>>>>UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
>>>>>of similar messages that have been circulating since
>>>>>1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
>>>>>that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
>>>>>hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
>>>>>their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
>>>>>proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
>>>>>called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
>>>>>and had n
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>>>>>based upon flawed premises. This year's
>>>>>version is no
>>>>>different.
>>>>>
>>>>>    First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
>>>>>of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
>>>>>to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
>>>>>their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
>>>>>"gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
>>>>>gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
>>>>>one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
>>>>>all.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
>>>>>"hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
>>>>>billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
>>>>>under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
>>>>>purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
>>>>>usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
>>>>>be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
>>>>>to lose any money at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>  By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
>>>>>of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
>>>>>product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
>>>>>the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
>>>>>without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
>>>>>calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
>>>>>buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
>>>>>shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
>>>>>out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
>>>>>actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
>>>>>hollow one.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
>>>>>feel a bit better about things by providing them a
>>>>>chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
>>>>>but the action won't have any real impact on retail
>>>>>prices. An effective protest would involve something
>>>>>like organizing people to forswear the use of their
>>>>>cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
>>>>>demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
>>>>>prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
>>>>>move to carpooling and public transportation for the
>>>>>long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
>>>>>however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
>>>>>being done without.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
>>>>>of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
>>>>>hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
>>>>>chain, service station operators ? the people who have
>>>>>the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
>>>>>"gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
>>>>>wrong person.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
>>>>>made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
>>>>>levels of participation.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
>>>>>subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
>>>>>No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
>>>>>lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
>>>>>ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
>>>>>Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
>>>>>would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
>>>>>less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
>>>>>models, solutions they find unappealing.
>>>>>
>>>>>  An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
>>>>>good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
>>>>>message. In this case, though, the only message being
>>>>>sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
>>>>>that we can't even do without it for a few days to
>>>>>demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
>>>>>supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
>>>>>lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
>>>>>"message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
>>>>>gasoline for several months in a row.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike Barnett
>>>>>
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