[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:28:00 -0400

Last time I did that was about 1952. As I recall, the octane was lower and
the car did not get as much mileage.
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From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought
and Consideration


> No point is us US'uns driving to Canada to buy gas then, EH?
>
> The Old Master Technician
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>
> Kevin's TV Repair wrote:
> > There are 4.55 liters/Canadian gallon.  The Canadian gallon is 1.25
> > times larger than the US gallon.  That equates to 3.64 liters/US gallon.
> > And the US dollar is worth about $1.25 Canadian.  That leaves a
> > conversion factor of 2.91 liters/US gallon.  $1.15/liter times 2.91
> > liters/US gallon equals $3.35 US dollars/US gallon.
> >
> > Kevin Wilks
> > Kevin's TV Repair
> > Penticton BC Canada
> > kevintv@xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phillip R. Hull
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:01 PM
> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> > Thought and Consideration
> >
> > There is about 4 liters in a gallon     =
> > Phillip R Hull
> > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > FAX 517--569-3075
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin's TV Repair" <kevintv@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:34 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> > Thought
> > and Consideration
> >
> >
> >
> >>That works out to about $3.35 US dollar/US gallon.
> >>
> >>Kevin Wilks
> >>Kevin's TV Repair
> >>Penticton BC Canada
> >>kevintv@xxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Manuel
> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:21 AM
> >>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> >>Thought and Consideration
> >>
> >>Hi Andrew are you folks trying to keep up with Canada our gas is $1.15
> >>a liter,,Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>   Eric
> >>E M Electronics
> >>59 Wights Rd
> >>Deer Lake NL
> >>Canada
> >>A8A 2J2
> >>Ph# 709 635 2627
> >>tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Andrew Rose wrote:
> >>
> >>>in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas
> >
> > from
> >
> >>2.79
> >>
> >>>to 3.29 over night
> >>>Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
> >>>To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett"
> >>
> >><cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >>>"Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
> >>><usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >>"Greg And
> >>
> >>>Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> >>><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
> >>><listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
> >>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> >>
> >>Thought
> >>
> >>>and Consideration
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do
> >>
> >>will
> >>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here,
> >>
> >>it
> >>
> >>>will
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why
> >>
> >>there
> >>
> >>>>isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
> >>>>The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by
> >
> > the
> >
> >>cost
> >>
> >>>>of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
> >>>
> >>>enjoying
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
> >>>
> >>>hospitals,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>etc. like mad.
> >>>>Jerry Silverman
> >>>>Greentron Inc
> >>>>4 Newland Ave
> >>>>Greenville SC 29609
> >>>>Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
> >>>>mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
> >>>><jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
> >>>
> >>>"George
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
> >>>><etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> >>
> >><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >>>>"RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >><repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >>>><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
> >>>>Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
> >>>>Consideration
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
> >>>>>prices,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
> >>>>>one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
> >>>>>ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
> >>>>>year after year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
> >>>>>suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
> >>>>>several months in a row.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
> >>>>>on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
> >>>>>that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
> >>>>>labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
> >>>>>UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
> >>>>>of similar messages that have been circulating since
> >>>>>1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
> >>>>>that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
> >>>>>hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
> >>>>>their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
> >>>>>proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
> >>>>>called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
> >>>>>and had n
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>based upon flawed premises. This year's
> >>>>>version is no
> >>>>>different.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
> >>>>>of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
> >>>>>to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
> >>>>>their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
> >>>>>"gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
> >>>>>gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
> >>>>>one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
> >>>>>all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
> >>>>>"hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
> >>>>>billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
> >>>>>under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
> >>>>>purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
> >>>>>usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
> >>>>>be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
> >>>>>to lose any money at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
> >>>>>of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
> >>>>>product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
> >>>>>the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
> >>>>>without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
> >>>>>calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
> >>>>>buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
> >>>>>shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
> >>>>>out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
> >>>>>actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
> >>>>>hollow one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
> >>>>>feel a bit better about things by providing them a
> >>>>>chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
> >>>>>but the action won't have any real impact on retail
> >>>>>prices. An effective protest would involve something
> >>>>>like organizing people to forswear the use of their
> >>>>>cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
> >>>>>demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
> >>>>>prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
> >>>>>move to carpooling and public transportation for the
> >>>>>long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
> >>>>>however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
> >>>>>being done without.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
> >>>>>of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
> >>>>>hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
> >>>>>chain, service station operators ? the people who have
> >>>>>the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
> >>>>>"gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
> >>>>>wrong person.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
> >>>>>made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
> >>>>>levels of participation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
> >>>>>subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
> >>>>>No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
> >>>>>lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
> >>>>>ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
> >>>>>Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
> >>>>>would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
> >>>>>less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
> >>>>>models, solutions they find unappealing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
> >>>>>good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
> >>>>>message. In this case, though, the only message being
> >>>>>sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
> >>>>>that we can't even do without it for a few days to
> >>>>>demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
> >>>>>supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
> >>>>>lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
> >>>>>"message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
> >>>>>gasoline for several months in a row.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mike Barnett
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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