[TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and Consideration

  • From: Andrew Rose <badandy2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:28:29 -0400

I believe that
Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Al Gutz" <alg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought
and Consideration


> And test by the agency that monitors quality of food and drugs have
> tested bottled water and find it is mostly straight out of the tap.
>
> Al G
>
> Andrew Rose wrote:
>
> > how much is your bottled water if that's more then 4.00 gallon for gas I
> > think ill stay here and not complain
> > Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:43 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
Thought
> > and Consideration
> >
> >
> >
> >>Still less than our bottled water.;-)
> >>
> >>-Ed-
> >>Tel-Tek Electronics
> >>Ontario-Canada
> >>
> >>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Eric Manuel" <tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:20 AM
> >>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> >
> > Thought
> >
> >>and Consideration
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hi Andrew are you folks trying to keep up with Canada our gas is $1.15
> >>>a liter,,Eric
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   Eric
> >>>E M Electronics
> >>>59 Wights Rd
> >>>Deer Lake NL
> >>>Canada
> >>>A8A 2J2
> >>>Ph# 709 635 2627
> >>>tvman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Andrew Rose wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>in Suffolk ct new York we just got a 50 cent increase in reg gas from
> >>
> >>2.79
> >>
> >>>>to 3.29 over night
> >>>>Andrew Rose Action TV. Holbrook ny.
> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx>
> >>>>To: <repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Dallas Barnett"
> >>
> >><cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >>>>"Jannis Barnett" <jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett"
> >>>><usnguardian@xxxxxxx>; "George Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >
> > "Greg
> >
> >>And
> >>
> >>>>Desi Finley" <etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> >>>><wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>; "RepairWorld ListBot"
> >>>><listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:19 PM
> >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull
> >>
> >>Thought
> >>
> >>>>and Consideration
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>This is a world-wide thing, not just a problem here. So what we do
> >
> > will
> >
> >>>>have
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>little effect on the situation. If there is a gasoline surplus here,
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>>will
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>just be diverted to some other country where it is needed. Thats why
> >>
> >>there
> >>
> >>>>>isnt much that the government can do about the price. Places where
the
> >>>>>government puts heavy taxes on gasoline, it costs over $6 a gallon.
> >>>>>The economy of some poor countries is being totally devastated by the
> >>
> >>cost
> >>
> >>>>>of oil and gas. On the other hand, the oil producing countries are
> >>>>
> >>>>enjoying
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>the windfall and using the extra money to build cities, schools,
> >>>>
> >>>>hospitals,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>etc. like mad.
> >>>>>Jerry Silverman
> >>>>>Greentron Inc
> >>>>>4 Newland Ave
> >>>>>Greenville SC 29609
> >>>>>Fax/Phone 864 232 3889
> >>>>>mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx
> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>From: "Rochester Electronics" <pasthecash@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>To: "Dallas Barnett" <cherokeechief35@xxxxxxxxx>; "Jannis Barnett"
> >>>>><jannis_k_barnett@xxxxxxxxx>; "Rick Barnett" <usnguardian@xxxxxxx>;
> >>>>
> >>>>"George
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Finley" <gcf1933@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg And Desi Finley"
> >>>>><etcetera@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Janet Finley"
> >
> > <wildflower432003@xxxxxxxxx>;
> >
> >>>>>"RepairWorld ListBot" <listbot@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >><repair@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> >>
> >>>>><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:56 AM
> >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist-B] Gas Boycott, After Carefull Thought and
> >>>>>Consideration
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>To all who think a one day "GAS OUT" will lower fuel
> >>>>>>prices,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Good idea but NEVER EFECTIVE, advocating
> >>>>>>one-day gasoline boycotts are proof that some bad
> >>>>>>ideas never go away; they just keep getting recycled
> >>>>>>year after year.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Those who really want to send a "message" to oil
> >>>>>>suppliers should try not buying any gasoline for
> >>>>>>several months in a row.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  This year's e-mail (proposing a one-day "gas out"
> >>>>>>on 1 September 2005) is a carbon copy of the e-mail
> >>>>>>that circulated in May 2004 (right down to the
> >>>>>>labeling of the putative boycott effort as "STICK IT
> >>>>>>UP THEIR BEHINDS DAY"), which was itself a recasting
> >>>>>>of similar messages that have been circulating since
> >>>>>>1999. All of them are reminders that "protest" schemes
> >>>>>>that don't cost the participants any inconvenience,
> >>>>>>hardship, or money remain the most popular, despite
> >>>>>>their dubious effectiveness. A one-day "gas out" was
> >>>>>>proposed in 1999, and a three-day-long event was
> >>>>>>called for in 2000, but both drew little participation
> >>>>>>and had n
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>based upon flawed premises. This year's
> >>>>>>version is no
> >>>>>>different.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    First of all, everyone's "not purchasing a drop
> >>>>>>of gasoline for one day" will not cause oil companies
> >>>>>>to "choke on their stockpiles." Oil companies run
> >>>>>>their inventories on a weekly basis, and since the
> >>>>>>"gas out" scheme doesn't call on people to buy less
> >>>>>>gasoline but simply to shift their date of purchase by
> >>>>>>one day, oil company stockpiles won't be affected at
> >>>>>>all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   Next, merely shifting the day of purchase will not
> >>>>>>"hit the entire industry with a net loss of over $4.6
> >>>>>>billion." Consumers won't be buying any less gasoline
> >>>>>>under this "gas out" proposal; they'll simply be
> >>>>>>purchasing gas a day earlier or a day later than they
> >>>>>>usually would. The very same amount of gasoline will
> >>>>>>be sold either way, so the oil companies aren't going
> >>>>>>to lose any money at all.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  By definition, a boycott involves the doing without
> >>>>>>of something, with the renunciation of the boycotted
> >>>>>>product held up as tangible proof to those who supply
> >>>>>>the commodity that consumers are prepared to do
> >>>>>>without it unless changes are made. What the "gas out"
> >>>>>>calls for isn't consumers' swearing off using or
> >>>>>>buying gasoline, even for a short time, but simply
> >>>>>>shifting their purchases by one day. Because the "gas
> >>>>>>out" doesn't call on consumers to make a sacrifice by
> >>>>>>actually giving up something, the threat it poses is a
> >>>>>>hollow one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Not buying gas on a designated day may make people
> >>>>>>feel a bit better about things by providing them a
> >>>>>>chance to vent their anger at higher gasoline prices,
> >>>>>>but the action won't have any real impact on retail
> >>>>>>prices. An effective protest would involve something
> >>>>>>like organizing people to forswear the use of their
> >>>>>>cars on specified days, an act that could effectively
> >>>>>>demonstrate the reality of the threat that if gasoline
> >>>>>>prices stay up, American consumers are prepared to
> >>>>>>move to carpooling and public transportation for the
> >>>>>>long term. Simply changing the day one buys gas,
> >>>>>>however, imparts no such threat, because nothing is
> >>>>>>being done without.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Moreover, the primary potential effect of the type
> >>>>>>of boycott proposed in the "gas out" messages is to
> >>>>>>hurt those at the very end of the oil-to-gasoline
> >>>>>>chain, service station operators ? the people who have
> >>>>>>the least say in setting gasoline prices. As such, the
> >>>>>>"gas out" is a punch on the nose delivered to the
> >>>>>>wrong person.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Either apathy or an outbreak of common sense has
> >>>>>>made previous "gas outs" non-events with very low
> >>>>>>levels of participation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Gasoline is a fungible, global commodity, its price
> >>>>>>subject to the ordinary forces of supply and demand.
> >>>>>>No amount of consumer gimmickry and showmanship will
> >>>>>>lower its price in the long run; only a significant,
> >>>>>>ongoing reduction in demand will accomplish that goal.
> >>>>>>Unfortunately, for many people achieving that goal
> >>>>>>would mean cutting down on their driving or opting for
> >>>>>>less desirable economy cars over less fuel-efficient
> >>>>>>models, solutions they find unappealing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  An event like a "gas out" can sometimes do some
> >>>>>>good by calling attention to a cause and sending a
> >>>>>>message. In this case, though, the only message being
> >>>>>>sent is: "We consumers are so desperate for gasoline
> >>>>>>that we can't even do without it for a few days to
> >>>>>>demonstrate our dissatisfaction with its cost." What
> >>>>>>supplier is going to respond to a message like that by
> >>>>>>lowering its prices? Those who really want to send a
> >>>>>>"message" to oil suppliers should try not buying any
> >>>>>>gasoline for several months in a row.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Mike Barnett
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>____________________________________________________
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