I think the best solution is education. Let's think about it. People like
Richard Nakka, James Yawn, and countless others have posted reams of
information not just on making but safety and provide informative information
in all areas out in the open. It's true that no matter how much you try they
will pervert anything. But the last thing you want to do is go hiding behind
locked doors and then try to say your a safe, legal group when people have no
idea what is discussed behind those locked doors. Being open, honest, and yet
responsible to inform everyone that there are legal, safe means of doing what
we do. But at the same time we have fun doing it and the reason we can do it
for many years is because we do it safe and legal.
Michael
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On Tue, 2/10/15, Jurriaan van de Beek <jurriaanvdb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: [sugpro] Re: Hope I found everyone
To: "sugpro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sugpro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2015, 3:57 AM
One
downside of this list is that it posts directly to the web
and will pop up in the search results of for example google
and stored "for life".
https://www.google.nl/search?q=bruce+beck+sugpro&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:nl:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=gcLZVIieF8-FoAfo_YC4BA&gws_rd=ssl#rls=com.microsoft:nl:IE-Address&q=sugpro+jurriaan+freelist
Not sure whether this is an option one can toggle
on/off but is doesn't shield
"sensitive" information or any
chit-chat as I assume most do not post under an alias. I
would feel better when posting if only the information
shared in this list would be kept within the list member
only rather than bluntly dumped on the net visible for
everybody from employers, customers or people with wrong
intentions etc.
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at
1:36 AM, Steve Peterson <steve_peterson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Re bulk mailings--I just realized there
is a potential problem: there are now many, many spam
detection
schemes in place at many ISPs. I don't know what
all they look at,
but I do know that bulk mailing can be a problem.
There are
"proper" ways of doing it (if you're a
legit mailing list), but
I'm not familiar with them. I would hate to see
anyone's email
address get blacklisted due to a perfectly innocent
mistake.
--Steve
On 02/09/2015 04:21 PM, Bruce Beck wrote:
I have many issues going back to
12-07
On Mon, Feb 9,
2015 at 5:06 PM, Kenneth
Irving <kenneth.irving@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
That
can be of great help. How should we proceed?
Any
suggestions?
2015-02-09 19:50 GMT-02:00
<shawn.mchatten@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
I kept all 6800 messages from
when I joined back on Feb 12, 2009. Coincidence or what.
I've culled the 700 messages or so from the last year
and a half, from Jan 1, 2012 to mid June 2013 when the list
shut down. There were around 100 contributors in those 700
messages that I can drag the email addresses out of if that
would help. It will only be those that actually posted but
might be a start.
Shawn
On 2015-02-09 16:06, Steve Peterson wrote:
> As I said, I did look through the archive for the old
list but the
> problem was that the list had been so erratic for so
many months that
> the only archive that remained online only had posts by
a few
> individuals. IIRC, there had been some problem
switching over from an
> old server and the really old (and really useful)
archive was no
> longer available. Now I see that even the archive that
I looked
> through is no longer online (not surprising, I guess).
Dave McCue, if
> you can reach him, *might* have some old stuff lying
around, but I
> wouldn't hold out much hope.
>
> --Steve
>
>
> On 02/09/2015 12:15 PM, Richard Nakka wrote:
>> Dave McCue, former SugPro list moderator, may have
those files.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Kenneth Irving
<kenneth.irving@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>> What happened to the old list files? Are they
still available somewhere?
>>> Because maybe it could be useful to scrub all
the emails from it and send
>>> invitations to the former subscribers to join
the new list, in case they are
>>> interested. I can help with that, but I'd
need access to the old list files.
>>>
>>> 2015-02-09 17:12 GMT-02:00 Steve Peterson
<steve_peterson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> Only a couple of dozen people have
subscribed. I'm sure the link will
>>>> help...as will Michael's effort.
I'm a noob at list moderation and only
>>>> "signed up" to do this because no
one else was making any visible effort to
>>>> get the list going again. As for
Michael's question about the Freelists
>>>> "webpage", I have no idea what
Freelists means by that and I haven't had any
>>>> time to really dig down and investigate it.
Maybe it should point to
>>>> Richard's site--it's got to be the
most complete (not to mention
>>>> safety-oriented) site out there.
>>>> --Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/09/2015 09:17 AM, Richard Nakka
wrote:
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>> Just wondering, how many people are
currently on this new list? I was
>>>>> under the impression that the
'whole group' from SugPro was on
>>>>> it....guess I was wrong. I've also
been wondering how may people are
>>>>> still active in sugar rocketry.
I've been particularly active the past
>>>>> 6 months or so, immensely enjoying
building and launching KNSB
>>>>> powered rockets.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will add a link on my website to the
new list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Steve
Peterson
>>>>> <steve_peterson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>>>>> As the moderator and re-creator of
the list, I did once consider trying
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> contact everyone on the old list
but I wasn't able to scavenge enough
>>>>>> email
>>>>>> addresses from the old list's
archive to make it worth the effort. I
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> hope that people will pass the word
along and we'll get most of the old
>>>>>> members back. However, I have to
say that I'm beginning to wonder just
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> many people are still active with
sugar propellants (or even rocketry in
>>>>>> general).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/09/2015 07:59 AM, Kenneth
Irving wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael: yes, it's a shame that
the list list was recreated but the
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> weren't told or weren't
included by default in the new list. That
>>>>>> would've
>>>>>> simplified everything. A long time
has passed and the community has been
>>>>>> lost. I hope it can be recreated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best regards
>>>>>> Kenneth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-02-09 13:14 GMT-02:00 Michael
Monteith
>>>>>> <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>> Looks like the old list is
gone. I think the biggest problem is people
>>>>>>> don't know how to find this
list. If this works maybe I can send to
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> I know and pass the word
around.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Monteith
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
