I believe I was at the show in question today. I did not witness this particular event (too busy worrying about my own bitch!), but was negatively impressed by other related incidents. This judge is definitely on my DNS list! Resisting saying more... Zoa Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockshepherds.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx> To: oesterle@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 3:40:58 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Why newbies are quitting..... I was at Lake Elmo...that class of puppies was wonderful. I'd tell her to put that judge on her DNS list...and move on. I'd say that she might also make note of what the judge did like and only show that style of dog to them in the future, however if a judge talked to me that way, you can bet I would never give them another entry. Cindy PS - if this happened at the show I'm thinking of....I'm not surprised. That's why I'm home this weekend. Gina Oesterle <oesterle@xxxxxxx> wrote: A new to showing GSD person, not new to GSDs, recently bought a lovely pup, showed her in the Lake Elmo specialty, hired a well known handler who also liked the pup and ended up placing 2nd out of 6 in one of the puppy classes. Sounds good right? Well I just got a phone call saying that the pup was just shown at an all-breed show today and didn't exactly have the same success. The puppy was the only one in the class and came out with a second place ribbon. First of all I didn't even know that was possible. I thought the ribbon was withheld if the dog wasn't worthy. The judge informed this woman that this animal was not of the quality to deserve being in his ring. Also she was told to never breed this bitch. Now, besides the outrageous lack of consistency in the two rings, why would someone new ever want to come back after being spoken to that way... I was at a loss for words after this phone call... I didn't know what to tell her... Gina Oesterle Royal T Shepherds ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Cindy www.cinosamgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================