In a message dated 7/16/2007 10:34:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx writes: I believe the show in question was in Duluth, MN yesterday. Those interested can look it up. ROTFL, I almost sent a post last PM mentioning two judges who routinely withheld, but who I WOULD DEFINATELY show to. (AND, I didn't know where the show was!) This judge was one of them:) I'll show to Ed Biven. I respect his opinion. I wouldn't show him a dog who was stagey, I wouldn't show him an untrained dog and I wouldn't bother if they weren't clean coming and going, and for goodness sakes you really have to pay attention in his ring, but IMHO he does know movement and he does know breed type. He can be a curmudgeon though:) If he's thinking "why the heck are you showing me this dog", and you ask for an explanation, he'll tell you and he's not one to hold back. Like I said, would I show to him...absolutely, and if he placed this puppy second in a class of two, I'd say put it away for a few months and then reevaluate. Oh....the other I was thinking of who will withhold...Jean Fournier. I once saw her withhold an entire class open bitches (not our breed). OMG the drama since a few of the open bitches only needed singles. Jean usually is smiling though and Ed is usually scowling <G>. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC three generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions live here! visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================