[rollei_list] Re: Retro: Back to the Past!
- From: "jayers" <jayers@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:30:57 -0700
Check out www.123di.com this may help you to understand how all this works.
Also you might also want to check out www.viewscan.com this software can
improve your scanning ability. In the end you might find your dark room more
satisfying. I have a B&W lab where I can quickly process film, and make
prints which fulfills my creative vision.
I have spent some time with Photo shop7, film scanners, digital cameras, and
printers. It has not been an easy transition by any means, not to mention
the costs involved. I have not been able to match the quality of the Pro
color lab I use in Santa Rosa, CA. I would have continued with the color
side of my lab, but I never have created enough daily volume to maintain
calibration and the cost of chemistry.
Jonathan
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[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Gould
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Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Retro: Back to the Past!
Recently, you wrote:
(largely snipped for brevity)
> From: Marc James Small <msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
[...]
>
> I have struggled for five weeks with Photoshop 5 and an Epson 1200
> scanner and I am about ready to abandon digital completely. I have
> spent 30 or 40 hours fighting with this, and perhaps more, and, to
> date, I do not have a printable shot. All I have is junk. I am
probably
> doing something wrong, as the rest of you seem to find digital work
> a seamless matter of success, but I am exceedingly frustrated.
>
After working with digital graphics since the early '80s, I assure you
that it can always be frustrating and time consuming to achieve good
results. ;-) One problem with having too many options is knowing when to
restrict them to a reasonable set.
> Beyond that, I am lost. Photoshop 5 Help is worthless or less: I
> know HOW
> to crop an item but, once cropped, how do you process the cropped
> image? =20
>
Suggestion: Depending on what you mean by "process the cropped image", it
may be better to process the image *first*, then crop. For example, color
balance may be easier to adjust with more information than with less
information because shifts in color of parts that will get excised may
give you useful information about what you are doing to the area of
interest.
> Any thougths? Or should I finish off my chemical darkroom and do
> things I understand?
>
As has been mentioned, digital image manipulation is not remotely similar
to chemical printing. Still, I suspect that some basic things are causing
you grief.
* It is important that you understand the relationship between the various
color spaces that you are working with. A printed image will be in a
reflective color space such as CMYK, while your monitor is in a
transmissive color space, using some variant of RGB.
* It's important that all of your equipment can be "profiled", which is a
way to predict how they perform. The better your equipment, the better the
profiling might be. Without profiles, processing images will be maddening.
You haven't said how you are printing these images or what monitor you are
using, but your options with the Epson scanner are probably quite limited.
* You have to translate what they see on your monitor to what you get from
your printer, a process not dissimilar to (but far more involved than)
translating what one sees in a negative image into what one will get in a
print. There are a large number of variables that will affect the outcome.
No matter what people may try to tell you about "automagic color
management tools", they are no substitute for experience.
So, given the above, I think that it's fair to say that you are at the
beginning of a long and winding road; one you may not wish to walk. It is
quite likely that you will get better results faster and cheaper by taking
your slides to the local quick-photo store and having them printed there.
Regards,
Neil
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