[lit-ideas] Re: Ideology vs Experience

  • From: "Simon Ward" <sedward@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 23:10:03 +0100

Actually, Lawrence, you have put it down to just ideology. 

Interesting then that just as documents are leaked in the US point towards Iraq 
as a 'recruiting sergeant' for muslim extremism, that your views change. 
Coincidence of course.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Helm 
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 10:49 PM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Ideology vs Experience

  No, no, I couldn't have said it's exclusively ideology.  You misunderstood.  
It could not exist without this particular ideology, but like any ideology it 
is one which one lives with, which answers the daily needs, which explains what 
is going on about one.  The nature of Sayyid Qutb's writings is that he wrote 
about these things; so the believer will say much as a Marxist would say, see, 
this is what he said and he was right.  You can see the evidence.  You can see 
what we need to do.  You can see how we need to think about these things.  
Isn't that what you do, Simon?



  From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Simon Ward
  Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:44 PM
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Ideology vs Experience

  Seems you're in revisionist mode then Lawrence. Shame really. 

  The issue, Lawrence is the manner in which moderates become extremist, not 
with how many moderates there might be. You have consistently said that it's 
exclusively down to ideology, which of course denies the possibility that the 
Iraq war (to take one example) might be pushing moderates towards the 

  Now, however, you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Forgetting Qutb for the 
moment, deal with the simple question: Do moderate mulsims react to their 
perceptions and experiences of western action in the world?


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