[lit-ideas] Re: Hartiana

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That the measure or standard is different,  and not merely that pregnant 
women are protected against being treated worse  than non-pregnant women, 
follows from the European Court ruling in  Dekker.

For the record, the European Court of Justice decided in  

Dekker v Stichting Vormingscentrum Voor Jone Volwassen (VJV-Centrum)  Plus 
(ECR I-3941) 
 
that pregnancy discrimination was sex [or gender] discrimination without  
any requirement for comparing this unfavourable treatment to a man [or  male].

Interestingly, Dekker v Stichting Vormingscentrum Voor Jone Volwassen  
(VJV-Centrum) Plus 
 
reaffirmed this position in 
 
Webb v EMO Air Cargo (No 2) 
 
where a female had been dismissed because she had attempted to take  
pregnancy leave, but had not disclosed this to her employer when hired. 
 
-- not even via disimplicature.
 
Cfr. Harnish:
 
A: I didn't know you were pregnant.
B: You still don't.
 
(and the complications of the case: why is it that we, ceteris paribus,  
take the 'truth' clause to be rejected (meaning "I'm not pregnant") rather 
than  the alleged 'justification' clause: "I am pregnant, but you are not  
exactly justified in believing it!"). 

As well as a dismissal, a failure  to RENEW a fixed term contract may also 
be discrimination (EC I-06915  (C-438/99))

Furthermore, during any period of pregnancy or maternity  leave there may 
be no detriment or dismissal in connection with a period of  sickness. This 
is affirmed by 
 
Brown v Rentokil Ltd.

A female is also allowed to shorten her maternity leave and return  to work 
when she becomes pregnant again to get the second period of pregnancy,  
even though she is not fully able to carry out all her normal job functions.  
This is affirmed by 
 
Busch v Klinikum Neustadt 

Women who are pregnant are protected at job interviews (_sans_  
implicature). 

This is affirmed in
 
Tele Danmark A/S v Handels-Og Kontorfunktionaerernes Forbund I Danmark (HK) 
 acting on behalf of Brandt-Nielsen 
 
where a female has been held to be NOT AT FAULT for NOT  telling an 
employer she was pregnant while being interviewed for a job, despite  knowing 
she 
was pregnant.
 
(where 'knowing' fits both Plato's 'justified true belief' and a more  
causal, less restrictive 'conceptual analysis'). 

Oddly, I've noticed  that in current conversational practice, a potential 
father may say, "I'm  pregnant", or (as in some majestic plural, "We're 
pregnant", with the attending  implicature being that "I will accompany my 
wife/this potential mother in her  pregnancy" -- but found to be in poor taste 
(ps 
after references, below),  and too semantic to get pragmatic approval. 

Mrs. Hart, incidentally, was pregnant three times. But talking of  
discrimination, Grice once said that at Oxford they never care about rules 
(like  
'duties' -- 'stuffy' -- 'except college rules or rules of games' -- marginal  
note to his second book, "Conception of Value"), and Hart's resignation for 
his  post as principal of Hertford has to do with this. 

It is one of those  stages of Hart's life that made Thomas Nagel (who 
incidentally, studied  philosophy under Grice at St. John's) whisper, "I wish 
he 
had burnt his  diaries", 'he' meaning Hart. 

After serving many years within New  College, Hart applied to be elected 
Principal of Hertford.  
 
He lived in a beautiful house and did not want to move to the Principal's  
lodgings within Hertford.
 
He raised this issue only to be assured that it would not create a  
difficulty.  
 
However, later Hart was solemnly told that the College constitution  
obliged the Principal to live within the College, residing outside "only in  
cases 
of emergency" -- there has to be a 'defeasible' clause. 
 
On this footing Hart, with a little encouragement, withdrew.

Sadly, years later, when the Chancellor of Oxford University, Harold  
Macmillan, was sitting next to Hart at a College feast, they fell into talk  
about Macmillan's role as Visitor to Hertford College.  
 
Macmillan disclosed that he had only had one problem.  
 
It concerned a proposal of the College to appoint, as Principal of the  
College, a lawyer. Macmillan did not mentioned names (He did not know the name  
of the lawyer -- who was not C. of E. (as it were)). 
 
What Macmillan said to Hart was that the appointing committee had not  
realised this fact and was concerned, upon the discovery, that it would not 
look 
 good to turn down "a perfectly reputable man because he was [not C. of E., 
as it  were]".  
 
Yet "luckily" (was Macmillan's word) they discovered this requirement of  
the College constitution that the Principal should live in the lodgings.  
 
So they used this as the "excuse" to turn the candidate away, without  
mentioning his religion -- and not acceptance of the 39 articles of  faith.  

Allegedly, Macmillan did not know that Hart was the  person of whom he was 
speaking.  
 
Hart did not embarrass Macmillan by mentioning names (indeed his own,  i.e. 
Hart's own).  
 
He said later, on telling the story, that it would have been too painful to 
 have done so. Hypocrisy triumphed, as when Grice declared that "I can be  
committed to the 39 articles without knowing what they are" (He is providing 
an  analysis of 'commit'). 
 
On a different note, McEvoy invites us to compare three books, Ryle's  
Concept of Mind, Hart's Concept of Law, and an imaginary (by Strawson), 
"Concept 
 of Science"

McEvoy:  "Imagine a book "The Concept of Science" which  claimed there is a 
kind of "rule of recognition" for what constitutes science:  in effect, 
this is what Ayer and Strawson et al claim, and by this "rule of  recognition" 
they mean 'valid inductive procedures'. It turns out the validity  of 
Strawson's and Ayer's inductive procedures turns on what is accepted by  
scientists, just as Hart's "rule of recognition" turns out to depend on what is 
 
recognised as the "rule" by lawyers. Both theories are fictions, unexplanatory  
and circular - they have, however, hoodwinked many fairly weak and 
uncritical  minds."

While the above is true, it may do to do a little research into  
'philosophy of science' as practiced at Oxford. While that chapter in 
Strawson's  
Introduction to Logical Theory is certainly crucial, there's more to philosophy 
 
of science at Oxford than it. And more to a Popperian approach, too. I'm 
not  sure I would see Strawson as _the philosopher of science_ alla Ordinary 
Language  Oxford Philosophy -- but then it may well be that when the courses 
on philosophy  of science were instituted, the heyday of ordinary language 
philosophy were  gone. My favourite philosopher of science seems to me Mrs. 
Hampshire (aka Nancy  Cartwright) but then she learned with all the proper 
philosophers! -- and my  favourite of her essays seems to be "How the laws of 
physics lie". 
 
But perhaps the best candidate for "Oxford school" philosopher of science  
should be Toulmin, who was appointed University Lecturer in Philosophy of  
Science at Oxford University from 1949 to 1954, during which period he wrote 
the  brilliant "The Philosophy of Science". 
 
Indeed, Hart passed his understanding of deep philosophical problems to  
whomever was prepared to receive
it, notably Toulmin -- while granting that  Hart worked "in the borderland 
between jurisprudence and philosophy". 
 
"The topic of exceptions or conditions of rebuttal," Toulmin  writes, "has 
been discussed by Prof. H.
L. A. Hart under the title of  ‘defeasibility’" (Toulmin, Uses of 
Argument).
 
Indeed, one can see in Hart all of the depth and clarity of understanding  
of argument which made Toulmin famous in his "Uses of Argument". In Toulmin, 
as  in Hart,, the linguistic importance of "unless" is the springboard.
 
The notion of defeasibility is inextricably tied up with an adversarial  
system of reasoning -- as in Einstein responding to his critic in that famous  
Oxford colloquium --. That was the point that Toulmin, and
make on the  subject of argumentation and dialectic.
 
As Toulmin shows, properly characterized, all kinds of reasoning are  
inherently adversarial, including reasoning in epistemology, science, and  
decision-making -- even if Grice wished for a diagogic approach that would 
bring  
an eirenic effect.
 
Arguments such as Hart makes in "The Concept of Law" and that Toulmin  
sketch in "Uses of Argument" do not have to be demonstrative. 
 
Indeed, Toulmin goes on to permit REVISION of defeasible rules, as does  
Law.

McEvoy concludes his post against Hart's conceptual analytic approach  to 
legal philosophy on a GENERAL note about linguistic philosophy in general --  
the philosophy of linguistic minutiae --:

"That's the real story:  twentieth century academic philosophy in [Oxford] 
was made up of small, insular  groups, most of whom were "scientifically 
illiterate" and predisposed to endless  linguistic analysis to very little end 
- they were also self-selecting to an  unhealthy degree. Among them there 
was little genuine profound interest in  philosophy in its great 
scientifically-informed sense and much more interest in  how to make a 
philosophical 
career out of linguistic minutiae - as Bryan Magee  explains, in his 
"Confessions of a Philosopher", there is much more genuine and  profound 
interest in 
philosophy outside of university academic departments than  there is within 
them."

Well, Oxford is perhaps different, in that there's  a whole Sub-Faculty! 
(Now a whole Faculty!)

The Faculty of Philosophy,  University of Oxford, was only recently founded.

Previously it was a  "sub-faculty".

The phrase is Kantian in origin (vide Kantian on the  subfaculties of 
practical reason). 

For years, it was the Sub-Faculty of  Philosophy within the Faculty of 
Literae Humaniores (which had been founded in  1913 (one year before the Great 
War, which was a good thing, seeing that with a  War, Oxford had other 
priorities, and was indeed closed). 

Despite this  1913 date, the teaching of philosophy at Oxford dates back, 
of course to  mediaeval times.

The Faculty of Philosophy is now part of Oxford's  Humanities Division -- 
where "Humanities" is new lingo for "Literae Humaniores".  

The Faculty of Philosphy is ranked first in the UK by The Times.  

McEvoy concludes:

"This real story is part of the explanation for  the shallow and 
superficial and 'let's-carry-on-regardless' approach that was  taken to 
Popper's work 
by the vast majority of academic philosophers (most of  whom have read next 
to nothing of it, and certainly not made a careful study of  it). While I 
understand that university departments were very antipathetic to  Hume for 
many decades after he wrote, I cannot help read [the] enconiums re Hart  as 
being part of this 'let's-carry-on-regardless' approach."

With the  difference that neither Popper nor Hume ever taught at Oxford, 
while Hart spent  his life (except a few years as a junior at the Chancery in 
London).  

Interestingly, 'let's-carry-on-regardless' is a complex expression,  formed 
up by 'carry on', which has now been colloquially prefixed by 'and'  (after 
'keep calm and carry on').

A notable examples expands on the  rather neutral 'carry on':

i. Keep Spending and Carry On Shopping.

Cheers,

Speranza 
 
References:
 
Hart, H.L.A. "The ascription of responsibility and rights," in A. Flew,  
ed., Logic and Language, Blackwell, Originally Proceedings of the Aristotelian 
 Society..
Hart, H. L. A. "A logician’s fairy tale," Philosophical Review  60.
Hart, H. L. A. "Are there any natural rights?" Philosophical Review  64
Hart, H. L. A. The Concept of Law, Oxford.
Hart, H.L. A. Punishment and Responsibility, Oxford.
Hart, H. L. A. Essays in Jurisprudence and Philosophy, Oxford.
Toulmin, S. The Philosophy of Science. 
Toulmin, S. The Place of Reason in Ethics.
Toulmin, S. The Uses of Argument.
Toulim, S., A. Janik, and R. Rieke. Introduction to Reasoning, MacMillan,  
1984.
 
* On "We're pregnant" uttered by a male -- and the criticism it  receives.
 
Pregnancy is a lot of things: A joy, a pain, a blessing, a curse. One thing 
 it's literally not is, allegedly, simultaneously experienced physically  
by the male who got the female pregnant. 
 
When a partner says "We're pregnant" it is supposed to implicate sympathy  
and unity, a sign that dudes finally get it — you both made this baby, and 
he is  so committed to the child-rearing that will ensue that he's willing to 
 completely violate the "semantic" rules of biology to prove it and abide 
by  'implicature'. 
 
Not everything that "basically means" something means the same something  
you think it does. 
 
This is allegedly one of those things. 
 
So when a male says "We're pregnant", implicating "We're having a baby," or 
 "We're expecting", cancellation of implicature can become a trick. 
 
It is alleged that if a male says "We're Pregnant!" and then literally  
turns around and mainlines heroin while eating deli turkey, sushi, doing shots, 
 and punching himself in the gut with no risk to the fetus, he isn't 
pregnant. 
 
This is not said to diminish a male partner's experience during his female  
partner's pregnancy or to suggest it doesn't matter, doesn't affect him, 
doesn't  vastly alter his life, sense of himself, understanding of the world, 
feelings  about the universe, his relationships, identity and all the things 
that having  babies come into the world does for all of us. It's an 
enormously important  role. 
 
But it's a supporting role, ultimately, and there's  allegedly something a 
smidge glommy about a male's well-intentioned but  entitled, oversteppy 
desire to call an experience unique to females his own  by virtue of being 
there 
when it happens.
 
Grice one said that "Let's have lunch together sometime" MEANS "I hope we  
never will" 
 
Similarly, it is alleged "We're pregnant" (as uttered by a male) means  
"We're having a baby." 
 
It allegedly means, "As a dad, I'm excited as hell." It means, "This is  
actually happening." But most importantly, when a male says "We're  pregnant," 
he's allegedly letting everyone know that even though he's  not carrying 
the baby, he's fully invested.
 
The literally not-pregnant guy may say, "If you have a supportive and  
doting partner, is this really the hill you want to die on while quibbling over 
 
semantics?" -- Exactly, "it's the pragmatics, stupid," as Aunt Matilda used 
to  say. 
 
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