Losing an illusion is painful. A question is how the fantasy of arrogant gun toting cowboy may have served you and what the loss of that illusion means. Rhetorical questions only. Regarding society being based on people taking the law into their own hands, that's what they do in Brazil and in our inner cities. Civilization isn't based on economics; it's based on safety that come from law and order. If we can't count on our laws, as they can't in Brazil, there is no society. Blowing people away because you think you're justified is an illusion that quickly becomes anarchy. It's too bad you don't believe that. Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Andy: I'm guessing that your Brazilian friends are disappointed that in the U.S. everyone doesn't really swing from building to building. No I was disappointed and chastened that others view us not as arrogant cowboys, but as timid and docile bureaucratic types. That "American gun-toting cowboy" label is tough to live with, and even tougher to live without. I felt as though I had lost something when I realized we weren't thought to be arrogant gun-toting cowboys. All this time I thought we were the gun-toting cowboys. I missed being thought of as a gun-toting cowboy, especially when the other option was the docile bureaucrat obsessed with permission and consensus. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.