The trouble is not to get into the mind set that the latest OS is viable
anyway. If you moved to the latest thing everytime it was made available,
you would most certainly have a lot of issues.
We can't do that anyway with the screenreaders and a lot of the 3rd party
companies need time to make their products stable on the new OS...so what's
the point in jumping to something that's going to give you loads of hassle?
This is separate to the age of the software available to you, as the
availability of Sonar 8.5 is a big issue...I personally wouldn't want to
purchase a product that old, but regarding Windows 7, I'm pretty sure that
is easy enough to get hold of, unless you're buying a pre installed PC.
Everyone is in the same boat here, and moving to new systems isn't something
you do unless there's a good reason to do so.
you say that it's only for advanced users to install Win 7 for
example....but remember, dealing with a pro DAW, complex plugs, libraries,
access solutions etc etc etc, isn't easy, and niether should it be. So yes,
things can get advanced, that's to be expected. Best Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Lenoir
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 11:36 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk 8.8
agree. also the Windows side is a problem.
Currently, if you want a legal Windows 7 system, you have to search
yourself for a valid purchasable license and furthermore, find a
computer without any OS to install Win 7 on it.
it's only viable for advanced users.
I know, for a production system, the latest OS is not generally the
best option, but how can you sell a software made for an operating
system that is 6 years old and not officially sold anymore?
2015-10-27 12:06 UTC+01:00, Phil Muir <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Steve. Totally agree with you. We need a hi end DAW solution to replacePLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
Sonar 8.5.3. It's great software however, that won't help current VI
students in education. Further more, DD will eventually run out of Sonar
8.5.3 Producer boxes and who knows what will happen then :-( Think the
issue at Cakewalk is that they are way too busy trying to chase any dollars
they can in order to survive. The crazy thing is that with a little
investment, they could pick up more end users. I have a client over here
who would purchase software like that if it were available. They are aware
that DD can supply a new Sonar 8.5.3 box but understandably don't want to
pay those kind of shipping and related costs for a product that is 5 plus
years out of date.
On 27 October 2015 10:38:04 GMT+00:00, Steve S <stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Yep, totally agree with you Phil. Reaper, at the moment, is a dead end
for any kind of extra development outside of the current main solution,
simply because there is absolutely no support for anything Jaws related
in the Reaper environment.
This could possibly change, as some Sonar users are moving over to
Reaper, due to the latest Sonar being uncertain...and a few of them may
want access to plugs they had previously used in Sonar. Apart from
that, there really isn’t no appetite for anything that isn’t free on
the Reaper platform, probably because of it’s very low cost/free
availability, along with the use of NVDA or a crack version of Jaws..
Of course, this isn’t to say that is the case across the board, but in
the past 2/3 years of making HSC sets available,, 99% of request for
free sets come from Reaper users. I’ve found that users who have
invested in CT or Jaws for example, will invest in a plug and access,
those who don’t invest in such things, find it difficult to make that
jump.
I think it’s a good thing we have Reaper, as it is giving an option to
users who don’t want to invest and just dabble with recording, but we
still need the high end access and tools to keep up with the sighted
user. Best Steve.
From: Phil Muir
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:52 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk
8.8
Steve. You raise some valid points. You are absolutely right. Hadn't
thought of the offset issue but no doubt it will be an issue for sure
:-( Shall have to carefuly considder the cost for this as think there
will be a financial cost with regard to doing this :and I won't be
picking up the tab for that -)
On 26 October 2015 22:08:27 GMT+00:00, Steve S
<stevespamer68@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Phil, in my experience, it’s not as simple as you’ve mentioned. There
is a definite offset...and depending on the plug in question, splitting
up the set and applying different offsets may be necessary.
Best Steve
From: Phil Muir
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 3:30 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk
8.8
Recoding the sets for Reaper is as simple as changing the Window title
name and application name referenced in the sets. Can do a find and
replace all for that :-) As for interest in Reaper and Jaws HSC sets,
sure ask the Reaper folks. Would be interesting to get some numbers :-)
Personally planning to keep Sonar 8.5.3 installed even if I start to
dig into Reaper as Sonar has some great plug-ins. Hmm, could recode all
Sonar HSC sets so that they also work in Reaper. It would be nice to be
able to use the Sonitus EQ and Compressor in Reaper as I have a ton of
personalised presets that I use here for both of those plug-ins.
On 26 October 2015 15:18:36 GMT+00:00, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Haha I just asked this very question. Please ignore that post. Glad to
hear it's not that much work to repurpose the sets. Count me in as very
very interested, especially since I'll be buying your sets as soon as I
get paid for the current mixing job.
Want me to ask the Reaper folks how many are using Jaws, to gauge the
level of interest?
At 11:12 AM 10/26/2015, you wrote:
Yes the HSC sets for Superior Drummer 2 are Sonar based. Having said
that, it would be really simple to recode them to work in Reaper.
Haven't had any requests for that yet though.
On 26 October 2015 14:47:47 GMT+00:00, Florian Beijers
<florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I tend to mainly still use Sonar due to the scripts our dear
Steve has
made :) As well as other HSC sets and scripts that depend on Sonar
to
work. No matter how you turn the wheel, it's still true that
currently
if you want to use virtual instruments like the orange tree samples
stuff you're pretty much stuck with Sonar. I'm guessing the stuff
Phil
did for Superior is also Sonar-based. Kontakt is also best supported
in SOnar, although some autoHotkey scripts exist that work with I
believe the standalone version as well. I'd love to use Reaper full
time, but I'd lose too many of my preferred tools. As for what theme
to use in win10, I guess either the standard or high-contrast theme
would be best. My preference would go for standard because thats
what
comes by default, but I have no idea how suitable that theme is for
color detection.
Florian
2015-10-26 15:14 GMT+01:00,
Chris
Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>:
perhaps a crowd-funding campaign? People were able to more than fund
development of NVDA Remote recently, raising some ten grand or so.
At 12:24 AM 10/26/2015, you wrote:

Don't think anyone can summarize that better than what you just did.
Thanks for that.
I should clarify my statement about it being a total Microsoft issue.
What
I mean is that since the OS has to change to accommodate things like
tablets and the like, it seems that there's this constant burden that
third-party developers have to scramble to make their products work
under
the new OS; which is fine, as long as there's some sort of mechanism in
place t
hat can
help them do just that. Not everybody has the massive
resources that Microsoft and Apple have to do it; consequently they're
constantly behind in having to catch up with the latest and greatest.
It
takes a lot of money and resources paying programmers decent wages,
etc.
I don't know what a fair and viable solution is; and though I
understand
the need to keep up with the technology, I agree with you that right
now
we have a system in place that works quite well, and it's pretty darn
stable.
Mike
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Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 22:28
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Windows 10 and Sonar producer 8.5 with CakeTalk
8.8
Microsoft is not at fault here; honestly in order to make most of the
UI
improvements they have, they had to ditch the old engine and start with
a
new one, especially
for
using apps. Just like what they had to do with the
start menu, taskbar, notification/tray, menu bars which are mostly
ribbons
now, and many other core windows functions. Anyone who̢۪s tried
windows
8 and above knows how different things are from windows 7 and before.
They̢۪d assume the screen readers and other technologies would make
whatever changes to keep up to date with their OS.
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