[cryptome] Re: Putin: Living In The Clouds

  • From: Todd Judge <toddbob@xxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 12:11:47 +0900

Thanks.  I'm professionally as far from Luddite as one could get, but 
identifying validity of an issue to be a  justifiable need, then creating and 
soliciting solutions, establishing measurement yardsticks, uncompromised 
objective risks analysis (to the best of human ability, of course), and then 
building mitigation in to every identifiable activity (because I once heard a 
rumor that sometimes things can change beyond my control), all keeps available 
tools to use in prospective for solving the problem.  Tech is not an answer.  
Applied tech is a tool. There is never just one answer.  And new tools keep on 
being created, with pros and cons to the other tools out there.

And you're correct.  The typewriter is a technology, of course.  Just not as 
shiny as the latest electro wiz bang other ones promoted that make people rule 
it's value straight out of the realm of good solutions.

Lasers for surgery and computer integration into the surgical procedures is a 
large part of my experience.  But what are we trying to accomplish has always 
been the mission for the great minds I've been fortunate to work with.  And 
some pretty good stuff has come out of it.

> On Jul 8, 2014, at 6:06 AM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Todd,
> Typewriters are still a technology and you have to learn to type, but before 
> you type you have to learn to read.  Reading opens up a whole new world, 
> including that of garbage as well as stuff worth learning.  Lot's of people 
> in the world have yet to learn to read and write, far less have the 
> opportunity to look at cartoons.   In some societies, they have no need to 
> learn to read and write and have no books, or radios and television, no 
> electricity either. Other societies would like to have such technologies but 
> can't afford it, or only make it available to the few who can afford it.
>  Is it, perhaps, that our problem solving representatives are trying to use 
> their problem solving skills for the wrong purposes, most of the time, 
> looking after their own priorities, which may or may not coincide with those 
> of others?
> Technology too, can help to solve problems, personally, I support the 
> scientific approach and the introduction of new technology.  Even with the 
> problems we have today of applying new technology,  I still think, on balance 
> that the world is a better place...Or perhaps a correction here...my world 
> and perhaps your world is a better place.  But that doesn't mean to say that 
> all technology is good, or that it is bad.  It is as well to remember that 
> primitive peoples have lived on the planet for millions of years without 
> destroying the planet, it is only our generation which has developed the 
> capabilities of making it uninhabitable for most of the human race...but that 
> is evolution for you.  A species which cannot adapt to its environment, or 
> sustainably change its environment is replaced by another which can, and I am 
> sure that another one will appear, if it hasn't already arrived... :-)  at 
> some stage.  I am not one of those people who believes that our species is 
> immortal.
> Whilst technology is an application and creation and invention of a post hole 
> shovel, it is a lot more than that.  A monkey can use a post hole shovel to 
> get a peanut out of a hole, it takes a human being to hit someone else over 
> the head with it.
> Let me give you an example.  Solar panels are great in that they produce 
> energy from the rays of the sun, they are often called green or 
> environmentally friendly in western society (I use western here for 
> convenience and not necessarily as a political or geographical term) 
> particularly by the "Greens".  And if we were to produce enough of them and 
> put them on roofs all over the world, or put them along the side of motorways 
> and railways, or put lots of them in the desert, we could generate a lot of 
> energy and save on fossil fuels and carbon dioxide emissions, and the costs 
> of capture would come down, and we would all live happily ever after.  
> However, the people of North China might not agree with that statement, 
> because of the rare metals which are contained in their production and parts 
> of North China where they mine the stuff has been severely polluted and the 
> people suffer from serious illnesses.  That could be avoided of course, if 
> the stuff was mined in a more environmentally and humanly friendly way...but 
> that is not the fault of technology per se...it is the fault of those human 
> beings who don't mine it properly.
> Mechanical typewriters still have to be designed, produced, manufactured and 
> distributed...that all consumes energy and materials, including lots of 
> water.  Electronic typewriters might be produced using slightly less energy, 
> but they also use rare metals and plastics and there are islands in the 
> middle of the Pacific where the beaches are full of bits of plastic, bottles 
> and so on.  it is only now that recycling such materials is being developed, 
> previously the cost of doing so was put on the environment.  The trouble with 
> life these days is that there are advantages and disadvantages, and benefits 
> and disbenifits in almost everything we do. Benjamin Franklin had ways of 
> overcoming this by using a technique called bootstrapping decision-making, 
> but lots of people use it these days, even though it would be ideal 
> transferring it from bits of paper to computing power.
> Solving all problems first sounds like a good idea at first, but then we are 
> in danger that by the time we had solved all the problems, the problems would 
> have solved themselves and new ones would have come along...and then, where 
> would we be?  Mitigation wouldn't get a look in.
> Doug.
>> On 07/07/14 19:31, Todd Judge wrote:
>> Pretty much so, thanks. Instead of anything close to defining needs and 
>> designing logical solutions, the American/western "way to do things" has 
>> been to, hey, use technology(!). That'll do it.  Govt Top down directive now 
>> spews only from brains quick to pick up on the latest cartoon-logic cronies' 
>> sales pitches that rob and flush tax $ straight down the toilet.  
>> The "representatives" we elect, at all levels, now have absolutely no 
>> problem solving skills.  That ability has been bred right out of them by 
>> now.  So obvious unless you like their same commercials.  They're good at 
>> remembering the commercials they like but their brains are a mirror of the 
>> dumbness we've  been so eager to adopt.
>> Technology is nothing more than a post hole shovel.  It's a tool, but the 
>> stupid commercials constantly mesmerizing our power craving governments 
>> brazenly scream false claim that the shiny thing thinks and acts wisely, so 
>> they don't have to cover for their personal lack of basic intellect.  How 
>> many "plan B"s do you know of for current programs paid for? And what % of 
>> the most expensive nonsense lint today does what it's supposed to do?
>> Problem solving in security, comm and political but unnecessary programs 
>> around the west is never the foundation of design, nor even mentioned.  
>> You're only fed "looky what this monstrosity will do!".  And the results are 
>> so poorly created, they don't do what you just heard they are doing, and if 
>> the original intent had any justifiable basis to solve a problem, that 
>> vanished before contracts were even finalized Gonesky.
>> Typewriters is more than smart, it's an applicable analogy to solve the 
>> smallest to biggest problems (in this case most effective way to limit for 
>> access by a simple cheap piece of paper and ink).  Power grid attack, etc, ? 
>> No absolute shutdown if you have a piece of paper and a crayon, dirty stick, 
>> pencil, or a mechanical typewriter.  All you need is an equally simple way 
>> to get the paper to its recipient.   Something so simple, typewriters solve 
>> the top two issues any govt requires to operate. Outside access intimate 
>> security and all levels of govt emergency communications.  
>> (I start plans instructing teams to forget all about technology until we 
>> solve all problems first, design alternate mitigation second, and functional 
>> plan Bs third.). It works every time. 
>> Taa-daa.  Mechanical typewriters and Russians.  Who-da-thunk-it?
>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Jeremy Compton <j.compton@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Your point is the Russian are not dumb. Yes, that is not disputed. With the 
>>> recent conflict in Syria and the offshore naval contestation Putin managed 
>>> to bring this whole Shakespearean drama to a close by removing chemical 
>>> weapons of the table which would have lead to a naval shooting match.
>>> The strategy of Putin and Obama has been compared to that of Obama playing 
>>> checkers and Putin playing 3 dimensional chess.  
>>> Putin, is a very smart player, this is obvious :) Obama, does not appear to 
>>> be at the moment, unless he is playing another game that is not that 
>>> obvious. 
>>> Jeremy
>>> > From: toddbob@xxxxxxx
>>> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Putin: Living In The Clouds
>>> > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 21:33:42 +0900
>>> > To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > 
>>> > And don't forget, Russia does know about insuring internal communications 
>>> > security while taking on these ventures. The Russian govt still buys more 
>>> > typewriters than the rest of the world combined. Or something like that. 
>>> > Wait. What was my point?
>>> > Todd
>>> > 
>>> > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:22 PM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > > 
>>> > > Dear Colleagues,
>>> > > 
>>> > > I see that Mr. Putin and his government have decided that the Clouds 
>>> > > over the USA are no longer an option, and that he will be 
>>> > > "nationalising" the storage data of his citizenry. Bad news for those 
>>> > > companies who sell their "secure" options in the clouds in the USA, 
>>> > > they will have to get their act together sufficiently to convince other 
>>> > > countries that there is not only no "unauthorised" access, but access 
>>> > > which is guaranteed to be secure to the nation or corporations' 
>>> > > satisfaction. Maybe though, that is an impossible task...and instead 
>>> > > they will get more subsidies from the government so that they can keep 
>>> > > going and keep up appearances.
>>> > > 
>>> > > Who wants to buy fake, or counterfeit goods these days, especially when 
>>> > > they are no good and don't work. It is not only American citizens who 
>>> > > are suffering the consequences. How can people and companies or 
>>> > > corporations, who are not American citizens, and therefore have no 
>>> > > rights of security of their information,take part in negotiating 
>>> > > contracts at arms length in a global economy, which the US and western 
>>> > > states are encouraging so much, when the security services are helping 
>>> > > themselves to the same confidential information and refusing to allow 
>>> > > proper inspection and oversight to make sure that they aren't selling 
>>> > > off such information to the highest American bidder, or 
>>> > > surreptitiously, privately to other bidders? Bad news for the 
>>> > > "samisdat" Russians too.
>>> > > 
>>> > > Presumably this move will have the added advantage of making it more 
>>> > > difficult for the prying eyes to get access, and at the same time, 
>>> > > allow Putin and his agencies to use the benefits of Edward Snowdens 
>>> > > revelations, tiny though they are, to improve the collection, 
>>> > > collation, sifting and sorting, profiling and targeting of the data of 
>>> > > his own home citizens, for               purposes diverse and devious. 
>>> > > It has taken them a while to catch up with the wiles and ways of the 
>>> > > old KGB and their relations with western security services. Perhaps 
>>> > > they have been far too trusting, or complacent, or busy with other 
>>> > > priorities...not any more.
>>> > > 
>>> > > I understand that a number of other nation states are contemplating 
>>> > > going down the same route. Perhaps we will see attempts at the 
>>> > > expansion of "5 Eyes" and associated nation states who share less 
>>> > > information with the USA and its colleagues, as a way of overcoming the 
>>> > > attempt to collect everything that moves electronically. One never 
>>> > > knows about such things, enemies can become friends, or friendly 
>>> > > aliens, so quickly in the world these days, that one can hardly keep up 
>>> > > with it.
>>> > > 
>>> > > One never knows, one might even see the Chinese legitimately getting in 
>>> > > on the act and gaining the trust and friendship into the worlds 
>>> > > "secret" security exchanges...;-)
>>> > > ATB
>>> > > Douglas
>>> > > 
>>> >

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