[cryptome] Re: Putin: Living In The Clouds

  • From: Neal Lamb <nl1816a@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:20:04 -0700

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On Monday, July 7, 2014 9:02 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 


It is commonplace for men who doubt their courage to be provoked
into war to slaughter civilians while safe in capital whiskey and sex clubs:
Go down the list of leaders who were bullied by stronger men and
women to wage carnage. Working backward:

George W. Bush
William J. Clinton
Richard M. Nixon
John F. Kennedy
Woodrow Wilson
Abraham Lincoln
George Washington

In short, all presidents, kings and queens, ayatollahs, sheiks,
emirs, potentates, joan d'arcs, fidels, commissars, supreme
leaders, freedom fighters, rebels, mafia, mommy boys and
daddy girls, sibling rivals, band of brothers, Shebas, Helens,
Hillary Clintons, Patricia Nixons, Barbara Bushs, yo momma
yelling be a man "kill the man, yo thieving daddy," aged vets
lying to kids about their combat valor in foreign whorehouses,
aged grandmas bitching about useless youngsters failing to
supply booze, nicotine and celebrity mags, bosses wailing
about disloyal sysadmins ratting to DAs about their kiddie
porn and heroin dealers.

Got that never-ending war channel? Got that Memorial Day
grieving shot? If not, long-on to never-ending media advertizing
most suitable for working zombies dead by the millions to end
the war to end all war.


At 09:07 AM 7/7/2014, you wrote:
>Your point is the Russian are not dumb. Yes, that is not disputed. 
>With the recent conflict in Syria and the offshore naval 
>contestation Putin managed to bring this whole Shakespearean drama 
>to a close by removing chemical weapons of the table which would 
>have lead to a naval shooting match.
>
>The strategy of Putin and Obama has been compared to that of Obama 
>playing checkers and Putin playing 3 dimensional chess.
>
>Putin, is a very smart player, this is obvious :) Obama, does not 
>appear to be at the moment, unless he is playing another game that 
>is not that obvious.
>
>Jeremy
>
> > From: toddbob@xxxxxxx
> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Putin: Living In The Clouds
> > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 21:33:42 +0900
> > To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > And don't forget, Russia does know about insuring internal 
> communications security while taking on these ventures. The Russian 
> govt still buys more typewriters than the rest of the world 
> combined. Or something like that.
> > Wait. What was my point?
> > Todd
> >
> > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:22 PM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Colleagues,
> > >
> > > I see that Mr. Putin and his government have decided that the 
> Clouds over the USA are no longer an option, and that he will be 
> "nationalising" the storage data of his citizenry. Bad news for 
> those companies who sell their "secure" options in the clouds in 
> the USA, they will have to get their act together sufficiently to 
> convince other countries that there is not only no "unauthorised" 
> access, but access which is guaranteed to be secure to the nation 
> or corporations' satisfaction. Maybe though, that is an impossible 
> task...and instead they will get more subsidies from the government 
> so that they can keep going and keep up appearances.
> > >
> > > Who wants to buy fake, or counterfeit goods these days, 
> especially when they are no good and don't work. It is not only 
> American citizens who are suffering the consequences. How can 
> people and companies or corporations, who are not American 
> citizens, and therefore have no rights of security of their 
> information,take part in negotiating contracts at arms length in a 
> global economy, which the US and western states are encouraging so 
> much, when the security services are helping themselves to the same 
> confidential information and refusing to allow proper inspection 
> and oversight to make sure that they aren't selling off such 
> information to the highest American bidder, or surreptitiously, 
> privately to other bidders? Bad news for the "samisdat" Russians too.
> > >
> > > Presumably this move will have the added advantage of making it 
> more difficult for the prying eyes to get access, and at the same 
> time, allow Putin and his agencies to use the benefits of Edward 
> Snowdens revelations, tiny though they are, to improve the 
> collection, collation, sifting and sorting, profiling and targeting 
> of the data of his own home citizens, for purposes diverse and 
> devious. It has taken them a while to catch up with the wiles and 
> ways of the old KGB and their relations with western security 
> services. Perhaps they have been far too trusting, or complacent, 
> or busy with other priorities...not any more.
> > >
> > > I understand that a number of other nation states are 
> contemplating going down the same route. Perhaps we will see 
> attempts at the expansion of "5 Eyes" and associated nation states 
> who share less information with the USA and its colleagues, as a 
> way of overcoming the attempt to collect everything that moves 
> electronically. One never knows about such things, enemies can 
> become friends, or friendly aliens, so quickly in the world these 
> days, that one can hardly keep up with it.
> > >
> > > One never knows, one might even see the Chinese legitimately 
> getting in on the act and gaining the trust and friendship into the 
> worlds "secret" security exchanges...;-)
> > > ATB
> > > Douglas
> > >
> >

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