[cryptome] Re: Putin: Living In The Clouds

  • From: Terry Wunderlich <schvetybetty@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 01:39:31 -0400

Hi. Thanks for taking my call.  I just wanted to say to John Young:  This
is the best rant ever, and/or you are the greatest shill in all of history.
 Either way, you got me to "bite", and Kudos to you.

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:01 AM, John Young <jya@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> It is commonplace for men who doubt their courage to be provoked
> into war to slaughter civilians while safe in capital whiskey and sex
> clubs:
> Go down the list of leaders who were bullied by stronger men and
> women to wage carnage. Working backward:
> George W. Bush
> William J. Clinton
> Richard M. Nixon
> John F. Kennedy
> Woodrow Wilson
> Abraham Lincoln
> George Washington
> In short, all presidents, kings and queens, ayatollahs, sheiks,
> emirs, potentates, joan d'arcs, fidels, commissars, supreme
> leaders, freedom fighters, rebels, mafia, mommy boys and
> daddy girls, sibling rivals, band of brothers, Shebas, Helens,
> Hillary Clintons, Patricia Nixons, Barbara Bushs, yo momma
> yelling be a man "kill the man, yo thieving daddy," aged vets
> lying to kids about their combat valor in foreign whorehouses,
> aged grandmas bitching about useless youngsters failing to
> supply booze, nicotine and celebrity mags, bosses wailing
> about disloyal sysadmins ratting to DAs about their kiddie
> porn and heroin dealers.
> Got that never-ending war channel? Got that Memorial Day
> grieving shot? If not, long-on to never-ending media advertizing
> most suitable for working zombies dead by the millions to end
> the war to end all war.
> At 09:07 AM 7/7/2014, you wrote:
>> Your point is the Russian are not dumb. Yes, that is not disputed. With
>> the recent conflict in Syria and the offshore naval contestation Putin
>> managed to bring this whole Shakespearean drama to a close by removing
>> chemical weapons of the table which would have lead to a naval shooting
>> match.
>> The strategy of Putin and Obama has been compared to that of Obama
>> playing checkers and Putin playing 3 dimensional chess.
>> Putin, is a very smart player, this is obvious :) Obama, does not appear
>> to be at the moment, unless he is playing another game that is not that
>> obvious.
>> Jeremy
>> > From: toddbob@xxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [cryptome] Re: Putin: Living In The Clouds
>> > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 21:33:42 +0900
>> > To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> > And don't forget, Russia does know about insuring internal
>> communications security while taking on these ventures. The Russian govt
>> still buys more typewriters than the rest of the world combined. Or
>> something like that.
>> > Wait. What was my point?
>> > Todd
>> >
>> > > On Jul 7, 2014, at 8:22 PM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear Colleagues,
>> > >
>> > > I see that Mr. Putin and his government have decided that the Clouds
>> over the USA are no longer an option, and that he will be "nationalising"
>> the storage data of his citizenry. Bad news for those companies who sell
>> their "secure" options in the clouds in the USA, they will have to get
>> their act together sufficiently to convince other countries that there is
>> not only no "unauthorised" access, but access which is guaranteed to be
>> secure to the nation or corporations' satisfaction. Maybe though, that is
>> an impossible task...and instead they will get more subsidies from the
>> government so that they can keep going and keep up appearances.
>> > >
>> > > Who wants to buy fake, or counterfeit goods these days, especially
>> when they are no good and don't work. It is not only American citizens who
>> are suffering the consequences. How can people and companies or
>> corporations, who are not American citizens, and therefore have no rights
>> of security of their information,take part in negotiating contracts at arms
>> length in a global economy, which the US and western states are encouraging
>> so much, when the security services are helping themselves to the same
>> confidential information and refusing to allow proper inspection and
>> oversight to make sure that they aren't selling off such information to the
>> highest American bidder, or surreptitiously, privately to other bidders?
>> Bad news for the "samisdat" Russians too.
>> > >
>> > > Presumably this move will have the added advantage of making it more
>> difficult for the prying eyes to get access, and at the same time, allow
>> Putin and his agencies to use the benefits of Edward Snowdens revelations,
>> tiny though they are, to improve the collection, collation, sifting and
>> sorting, profiling and targeting of the data of his own home citizens, for
>> purposes diverse and devious. It has taken them a while to catch up with
>> the wiles and ways of the old KGB and their relations with western security
>> services. Perhaps they have been far too trusting, or complacent, or busy
>> with other priorities...not any more.
>> > >
>> > > I understand that a number of other nation states are contemplating
>> going down the same route. Perhaps we will see attempts at the expansion of
>> "5 Eyes" and associated nation states who share less information with the
>> USA and its colleagues, as a way of overcoming the attempt to collect
>> everything that moves electronically. One never knows about such things,
>> enemies can become friends, or friendly aliens, so quickly in the world
>> these days, that one can hardly keep up with it.
>> > >
>> > > One never knows, one might even see the Chinese legitimately getting
>> in on the act and gaining the trust and friendship into the worlds "secret"
>> security exchanges...;-)
>> > > ATB
>> > > Douglas
>> > >
>> >

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