Hello Shannon, It is reassuring to know that I can at last read brf files from what ever source without having to back translate them. Hadn't even considered web braille for a long time since it seems harder to get around in and then there is the back translating. Yes, I am familiar with some of the braille symbols which don't back trans late. the letter c and b for can and but usually don't and I am quite comfortable when I hear something like: He was born on 20 but can and died 18 a b. Do have a great weekend and thanks for responding! Ed,