RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:27:40 -0400

The source code is open source from what I understand the libraries are
Popler if you want to look at them.   I think they come also in something
called XPDF.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:28 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Are these tools "free" as in gratis or as in freedom? Without the source
code and right to redistribute it is not, under our definition, "free
software."

If the software is free, using GNU definition,  this is generally the case,
we will need to revise the statement to remove PDF from the real problems. I
hadn't even thought to look at the handheld devices for PDF accessibility, a
definite oversight.

 
On Mar 29, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Ken Perry wrote:

> 
> 
> We are both creating pdf and reading pdf on the Braille plus using  the
free
> accessible tools already out there so again I don't like that statement
for
> again the Braille + and Icon are Linux based.
> 
> 
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
Hofstader
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:55 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> All of the Adobe accessibility improvements are, so far, Windows only. I
> know they are saying they are also going to be available for Macintosh and
> GNU/Linux and are even releasing an API so you can build your own player,
> the Flash format is still proprietary and you cannot make an authoring
tool
> for it.
> 
> PDF is problematic off of Windows as well although Macintosh has a pretty
> good and accessible reader that works pretty good  with well formed PDF.
> 
> A Windows mostly solution is not a way to promote freedom (with a lower
case
> "f").
> 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2010, at 12:49 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> 
>> This line is a flat out lie.
>> 
>> Silverlight is similar. PDF is also difficult; though there is free
> software
>> to view it, it does not support free access technology software. GNU PDF
>> aims to do better.
>> 
>> I was in the Adobe open forum at CSUN and I have it recorded.  They use
> NVDA
>> to do all their testing now and it supports PDF better if not as well as
>> JAWS  in.  According to the Adobe Accessibility crew which were at the
> forum
>> this is what they are shooting for is a free accessible solutions that
> Jaws
>> can follow or gw or who ever.  Furthermore the statement about Flash is
> not
>> as true as it used to be and according to the Adobe guys its only getting
>> better.
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:03 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>> 
>> The following statement really got to me:
>> 
>> "and please don't invite users to do something on a server that they
could
>> conceivably do on their own computers."
>> 
>> I understand that Stallmann is one of the leading activists against cloud
>> computing, but why on earth are you allowing such an
>> agenda to creap into a statement on accessibility?
>> 
>> In my opinion, this one statement completely undermines the rest of the
>> things you're trying to do.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
> Hofstader
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:00 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> For a couple of months, Richard Stallman and I have been working on the
> GNU
>> Accessibility Statement (GAS)  which takes a no nonsense
>> approach to endorsing the rights of people with disabilities as regard
>> software within the context of free software. I've never read
>> a more strongly worded statement from any organization regarding software
>> and people with disabilities.
>> 
>> GAS also takes a strong stance on free software values but does not
> endorse
>> any specific license, although we would like people to
>> use GPL.
>> 
>> You can read the statement at:
>> http://www.gnu.org/accessibility/accessibility.html
>> and send comments to me that we can consider for future revisions of the
>> statement.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> cdh
>> 
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