Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:51:09 -0400

Hey Storm,

I'm making a list of ideas like the one you present below that we can consider 
for future revisions of the statement. Sina also suggested while we were on the 
phone that a paragraph be added regarding net neutrality which is really 
important to people with disabilities.

The entire GNU team has, over the past couple of months, caught the 
accessibility bug. Stallman himself feels that discussing freedom without 
including a specific disenfranchised population isn't true freedom after all.

As GNU is really new to the accessibility space, we'll have some hiccups for a 
while. I include my own bias for blind/low vision technologies and relative 
ignorance of most other AT in the GNU/Linux world.

cdh
  
On Mar 27, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Storm Dragon wrote:

> Hi,
> Ok, you got me there, it is right out in the open. The thing is, it kind of 
> seems like one of those things that congress likes to do when getting a 
> really good bill passed. They tack things on to the end of it that are what 
> they want to get done, and they get passed just because the rest of it is 
> great.
> "Also, the statement does not condemn server based applications but, rather, 
> encourages people not to make or use them." What is the difference? May as 
> well condemn them, that would meet the same goal.
> As for the privacy issues, that is a very good point. Why not add something 
> about that instead of just letting the statement hang in the air right at the 
> end of the rest of it. It would make it fit better perhaps.
> Thanks
> Storm
>> 
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> On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 12:30 -0400, Chris Hofstader wrote:
>> It isn't a "hidden agenda" as it is written in very plain English for all to 
>> see. It is, however, a position fundamental to FSF and as it is an FSF 
>> statement, also not hidden anywhere, it fits into GAS.
>> 
>> 
>> You can take the statement and remove that line and other things you may not 
>> agree with and repost it as your own statement based on the GNU statement.
>> 
>> 
>> Also, the statement does not condemn server based applications but, rather, 
>> encourages people not to make or use them. 
>> 
>> 
>> cdh
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Storm Dragon wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> You know, I kind of wondered about that one myself lol. So, that explains 
>>> it. It sucks that hidden agendas have to sneak in everywhere, even in to a 
>>> goal as pure and right as accessibility.
>>> Storm
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 11:03 -0400, Sina Bahram wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The following statement really got to me:
>>>> 
>>>> "and please don't invite users to do something on a server that they could 
>>>> conceivably do on their own computers."
>>>>  
>>>> I understand that Stallmann is one of the leading activists against cloud 
>>>> computing, but why on earth are you allowing such an
>>>> agenda to creap into a statement on accessibility?
>>>> 
>>>> In my opinion, this one statement completely undermines the rest of the 
>>>> things you're trying to do.
>>>> 
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Sina
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Hofstader
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:00 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> For a couple of months, Richard Stallman and I have been working on the 
>>>> GNU Accessibility Statement (GAS)  which takes a no nonsense
>>>> approach to endorsing the rights of people with disabilities as regard 
>>>> software within the context of free software. I've never read
>>>> a more strongly worded statement from any organization regarding software 
>>>> and people with disabilities.
>>>> 
>>>> GAS also takes a strong stance on free software values but does not 
>>>> endorse any specific license, although we would like people to
>>>> use GPL.
>>>> 
>>>> You can read the statement at: 
>>>> http://www.gnu.org/accessibility/accessibility.html
>>>> and send comments to me that we can consider for future revisions of the 
>>>> statement.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> cdh
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