Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:38:30 -0400

I'm fairly certain I downloaded the one with orca in it. Does it also have 
SpeakUp installed and runing from the command line?

cdh

On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:08 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:

> There are two versions of vinux available for download.  One is for
> command line interface and has cli in its name and the other one has
> orca in it.  The only thing anyone need do with the vinux g.u.i. orca
> flavor is put a cd in a drive and start their computer and wait for the
> speech to start.   
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 15:40
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can someone with not much technical knowledge get this going
> independently?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Homme,
> 
> Usability Services,
> 
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> 
> Skype: jim.homme
> 
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog
> <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx> .
> Discuss accessibility here
> <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.asp
> x> .
> 
> m_and_m
> 
> 
> 
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I use Orca every day and haven't had many speed problems with it except
> on very large web pages. Granted I don't use open office though. Could
> it be the specific diestro you are using that makes it slow? I am using
> Ubuntu as my primary os. I used to be able to say only os, but I have to
> keep a winxp installation around to update some non Linux compatable
> hardware. (GRRRR!) Oh and to play Entoombed. But for everything else, it
> is Linux all the way. Anyway, before I manage to sidetrack myself any
> further, I have heard of some istros that cause Orca to run more slowly
> than others. Debian is supposed to have the fastest Orca around. I am
> not really sure what the difference would be, seems like it should run
> just as fast on one as the other, but oh well, things never work like
> they are supposed to.
> Just Curious
> Storm
> 
> 
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> On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:20 -0400, Ken Perry wrote: 
> 
> 
> I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux box
> for
> development only.  I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak again
> because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office it
> is
> so sluggish it is sick.  Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in
> voices to
> make it something I can listen to.  Even with the purchase of those
> voices
> though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast.   I am
> stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my entire
> job
> is programming in Linux.  Well not all of it I have something I am
> working
> on in VB but that's just a rewrite.  Now a couple Sighted guys I work
> with
> us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick.  
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:39 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi,
> All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to free
> software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and code
> and
> document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just want
> to
> use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS and
> FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to use,
> I
> would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in
> disgust.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude
> T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> Importance: Low
> 
> There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a
> computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard something
> about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to turn
> it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can
> finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all
> working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small
> additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing
> and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some
> developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the
> scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives. 
> 
> 
> Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi,
> I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had
> the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software
> installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I
> uninstalled the thing.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> Importance: Low
> 
> Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge
> correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation
> restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had
> linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the
> database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess
> included.
> 
> 
> 
> Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi Chris,
> What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> here.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Dunleavy
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I think the warning against server based applications should be retained
> in
> some form.
> Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the
> RoboBraille service.
> The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
> 
> --Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it
> is a
> very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity
> while
> having some of its services running on a server. All software written by
> RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT) but
> third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our back
> end
> to augment their products.
>> 
>> The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and
> raising
> money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to
> say
> the least.
>> 
>> As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next
> version
> of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.
>> 
>> So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based
> applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about
> everything else in the statement?
>> 
>> cdh
>> On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:
>> 
>>> I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general
> overview
> and
>>> FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if
> it
> is
>>> possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field
> for
>>> everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal
>>> competition in the software market -- I say this because different
> persons
>>> have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require
>>> different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in
>>> applications.
>>> But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.
>>> Are you a member?
>>> --le
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: "Chris Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should
>>> address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other
>>> things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done
> locally,
>>> without needing an Internet connection.
>>> 
>>> I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people
> with
>>> disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and
>>> organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the
> case,
>>> and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"
> described
>>> at the web site
>>> http://npii.org/
>>> 
>>> Jamal
>>> 
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