RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:55:22 -0400

I never tried running speakup from the orca version.  You could try
control-alt-f1 and then hit enter and see if you get asked to log in.
If you do, speakup is also installed and that'll be what's talking when
that happens.  Another good place to try this is after boot up and
before logging into the G.U.I.  If it doesn't, I suggest you download
the command line version then run the commands in this order as root:
Dselect update
Aptitude update
Aptitude full-upgrade
Aptitude autoclean
Mandb
Updatedb
Next, run tasksel and hit enter.
The first selection is graphical desktop environment so hit a space and
[ ] changes to [*] which means that's been selected.  If you want a data
base installed too, down arrow until you hear data base and hit space
again.  Do not select standard install since that replaces speakup
kernel with a kernel that hasn't got speakup in it.  When you're
finished hit tab once and land on ok and hit enter and the task will
start.  With a fast connection, it can take a couple hours.  Once
finished as root type orca -t and hit enter.  That takes you into orca
where you can make basic settings you'll refine those on graphical user
interface login.  That should get you going. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
Hofstader
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:39
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
Importance: Low

I'm fairly certain I downloaded the one with orca in it. Does it also
have SpeakUp installed and runing from the command line?

cdh

On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:08 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
wrote:

> There are two versions of vinux available for download.  One is for
> command line interface and has cli in its name and the other one has
> orca in it.  The only thing anyone need do with the vinux g.u.i. orca
> flavor is put a cd in a drive and start their computer and wait for
the
> speech to start.   
> 
> 
> Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 15:40
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can someone with not much technical knowledge get this going
> independently?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Homme,
> 
> Usability Services,
> 
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> 
> Skype: jim.homme
> 
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog
> <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx> .
> Discuss accessibility here
>
<http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.asp
> x> .
> 
> m_and_m
> 
> 
> 
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm
Dragon
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:56 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I use Orca every day and haven't had many speed problems with it
except
> on very large web pages. Granted I don't use open office though. Could
> it be the specific diestro you are using that makes it slow? I am
using
> Ubuntu as my primary os. I used to be able to say only os, but I have
to
> keep a winxp installation around to update some non Linux compatable
> hardware. (GRRRR!) Oh and to play Entoombed. But for everything else,
it
> is Linux all the way. Anyway, before I manage to sidetrack myself any
> further, I have heard of some istros that cause Orca to run more
slowly
> than others. Debian is supposed to have the fastest Orca around. I am
> not really sure what the difference would be, seems like it should run
> just as fast on one as the other, but oh well, things never work like
> they are supposed to.
> Just Curious
> Storm
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:20 -0400, Ken Perry wrote: 
> 
> 
> I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux
box
> for
> development only.  I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak
again
> because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office
it
> is
> so sluggish it is sick.  Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in
> voices to
> make it something I can listen to.  Even with the purchase of those
> voices
> though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast.   I
am
> stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my
entire
> job
> is programming in Linux.  Well not all of it I have something I am
> working
> on in VB but that's just a rewrite.  Now a couple Sighted guys I work
> with
> us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick.  
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:39 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi,
> All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to
free
> software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and
code
> and
> document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just
want
> to
> use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS
and
> FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to
use,
> I
> would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in
> disgust.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude
> T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> Importance: Low
> 
> There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a
> computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard
something
> about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to
turn
> it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can
> finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all
> working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small
> additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing
> and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some
> developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the
> scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives. 
> 
> 
> Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi,
> I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had
> the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software
> installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I
> uninstalled the thing.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> Importance: Low
> 
> Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge
> correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation
> restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had
> linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the
> database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess
> included.
> 
> 
> 
> Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi Chris,
> What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
Dunleavy
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I think the warning against server based applications should be
retained
> in
> some form.
> Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the
> RoboBraille service.
> The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
> 
> --Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it
> is a
> very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity
> while
> having some of its services running on a server. All software written
by
> RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT)
but
> third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our
back
> end
> to augment their products.
>> 
>> The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and
> raising
> money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to
> say
> the least.
>> 
>> As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next
> version
> of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.
>> 
>> So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based
> applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about
> everything else in the statement?
>> 
>> cdh
>> On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:
>> 
>>> I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general
> overview
> and
>>> FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if
> it
> is
>>> possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field
> for
>>> everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal
>>> competition in the software market -- I say this because different
> persons
>>> have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require
>>> different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in
>>> applications.
>>> But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.
>>> Are you a member?
>>> --le
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: "Chris Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should
>>> address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other
>>> things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done
> locally,
>>> without needing an Internet connection.
>>> 
>>> I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people
> with
>>> disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and
>>> organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the
> case,
>>> and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"
> described
>>> at the web site
>>> http://npii.org/
>>> 
>>> Jamal
>>> 
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