Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: "qubit" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:16:32 -0500

Well Jim, perhaps you are right.
But Stallman's argument is for those who have or think they have a reason to 
be truely paranoid, and some blind persons think that applies to them.
Stallman does have come compelling arguments.
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online


Hi,
All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to free 
software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and code and 
document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just want to 
use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS and 
FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to use, I 
would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in disgust.

Jim

Jim Homme,
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Phone: 412-544-1810
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude 
T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
Importance: Low

There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a
computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard something
about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to turn
it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can
finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all
working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small
additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing
and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some
developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the
scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives.


Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi,
I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had
the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software
installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I
uninstalled the thing.

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810
Skype: jim.homme
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
Importance: Low

Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge
correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation
restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had
linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the
database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess
included.



Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi Chris,
What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810
Skype: jim.homme
Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
here.


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Dunleavy
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi Chris,

I think the warning against server based applications should be retained
in
some form.
Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the
RoboBraille service.
The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

--Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hofstader <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online


> Hi,
>
> I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it
is a
very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity
while
having some of its services running on a server. All software written by
RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT) but
third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our back
end
to augment their products.
>
> The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and
raising
money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to
say
the least.
>
> As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next
version
of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.
>
> So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based
applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about
everything else in the statement?
>
> cdh
> On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:
>
> > I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general
overview
and
> > FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if
it
is
> > possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field
for
> > everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal
> > competition in the software market -- I say this because different
persons
> > have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require
> > different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in
> > applications.
> > But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.
> > Are you a member?
> > --le
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "Chris Hofstader" <cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >
> >
> > I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should
> > address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other
> > things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done
locally,
> > without needing an Internet connection.
> >
> > I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people
with
> > disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and
> > organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the
case,
> > and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"
described
> > at the web site
> > http://npii.org/
> >
> > Jamal
> >
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