Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: Jared Wright <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:18:32 -0400

I'm completely ignorant  of this one until now, I'll have a look. Thanks.

Jared


On 3/29/2010 2:54 PM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 wrote:
Have you heard about and/or tried the edbrowse package yet?  If you're
using a debian system it'll be a downloadable package.  To get it set up
though, /usr/share/doc/edbrowse/examples/ has an ebrcsetup script you
need to run as a normal user that will be using the browser.  There are
html files in that directory tree with the documentation for edbrowse in
them too.  Warning, edbrowse is an acquired taste and using it along
with the documentation for reference to complete tasks will be necessary
for a while.  That said, if you run into a web site that doesn't work
for you and the author of edbrowse can get to it, he'll fix things so
they do work for you in the next version.



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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 14:46
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

I would love to switch almost exclusively to a Linux workstation at this

point, but there's still nothing that can be considered satisfactory for

modern web browsing by my estimation. Since so much of our software
today is handled in part or in whole through a web browser, I hope this
gets some attention in this discussion. I have been getting plenty done
with Orca/Speakup and Festival, but I'm still virtualizing Windows just
so I can use WE and Firefox, which is basically like dropping a nuke to
take care of a domestic pest issue.

Jared



On 3/29/2010 2:20 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux
box for
development only.  I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak
again
because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office
it is
so sluggish it is sick.  Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in
voices to
make it something I can listen to.  Even with the purchase of those
voices
though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast.   I
am
stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my
entire job
is programming in Linux.  Well not all of it I have something I am
working
on in VB but that's just a rewrite.  Now a couple Sighted guys I work
with
us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:39 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi,
All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to
free
software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and
code and
document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just
want to
use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS
and
FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to
use, I
would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in
disgust.
Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810
Skype: jim.homme
Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
Jude
T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
Importance: Low

There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a
computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard
something
about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to
turn
it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can
finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all
working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small
additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing
and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some
developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the
scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives.


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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi,
I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had
the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software
installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I
uninstalled the thing.

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810
Skype: jim.homme
Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
here.



-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
Importance: Low

Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge
correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation
restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had
linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the
database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess
included.



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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi Chris,
What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810
Skype: jim.homme
Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
here.


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
Dunleavy
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

Hi Chris,

I think the warning against server based applications should be
retained
in
some form.
Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the
RoboBraille service.
The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html

--Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hofstader<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online



Hi,

I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it

is a
very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity
while
having some of its services running on a server. All software written
by
RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT)
but
third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our
back
end
to augment their products.

The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and

raising
money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to
say
the least.

As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next

version
of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.

So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based

applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about
everything else in the statement?

cdh
On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:


I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general

overview
and

FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if

it
is

possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field

for

everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal
competition in the software market -- I say this because different

persons

have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require
different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in
applications.
But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.
Are you a member?
--le



----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Chris Hofstader"<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online


I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should
address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other
things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done

locally,

without needing an Internet connection.

I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people

with

disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and
organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the

case,

and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"

described

at the web site
http://npii.org/

Jamal

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