On 09 Aug, Philip <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Jack, I was trying to explain to Alan what I meant by it being possible > for a thing to be at total rest even if it was not detectable. I have as > much chance of convincing him of that as I have of convincing him that > God is a possibility even if He was not detectable. I not only think God is a possibility. He is a certainty! > As regards the relationship to geocentrism, I wanted to show how > observations can be from two viewpoints relatively, and that > calculations done from each perspective confirm each, simply because > each believes his base is the correct one. A matter of truth and of > faith. But what you keep failing to take on board is that calculations from a geocentric viewpoint do not even begin to add up. I have calculated the mass of the sun for you. How would a geocentrist do that? He couldn't, because his theory flies in the face of Newton's laws, so he couldn't use Newton's laws. I just used a simple calculation, using Newton, to find both the mass of the Sun, and of the earth. > I have every reason to believe the geocentric model to be more likely > the TRUTH . It would be nice to hear a logical reason. I have an open mind. Persuade me! > I will not allow the faith of another in modern science to > sway me from that belief based purely upon theoretical concepts which > cannot be demonstrated as axiomatic, which means of course no longer a > theory. But the concepts are all backed by centuries of experiment which confirm them. How much more proof do you need? Alan