You are quite right, Philip, I used to view the Biblical firmament as the scientific aether, but I presently hold that there is no aether. I ought to make clear that I do not view "deep space" as a vacuum either. As to consensus, I agree that this would be no proof (even if we had it). Neville. philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Sorry Neville, I was under the impression you considered the firmament as a type of aether. But in any case, havn't we also established that consensus is no proof...? Philip. From: Dr. Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Aether effects Since I, for one, do not accept the existence of the aether (not yet anyway), it would appear that Paul is correct when he says that, "there are no two among you who agree on any aspect of this alleged phenomenon." Neville. philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } Greetings all Now that the Aether Effects debate seems to have subsided, may I make an observation? From my reading of the various posts, I now believe I understand why my many entreaties for information on this subject have gone unanswered -- there are no two among you who agree on any aspect of this alleged phenomenon. Paul D So! Not so.. We all agree in its existence.. But in any case, havn't we also established that consensus is no proof...? Philip. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now.