[geocentrism] Re: Aether effects
- From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:05:07 +0100 (BST)
Allen,
Enough colours - especially after your pale blue!
I now see what you are trying to get at with the clockwork orange "example,"
but the essence of the aether argument is what effect the aether would have on
anything moving through it. The aether would have to carry the object along in
one instance, but also have no impeding effect on the object going against the
aether (this is what I believe Martin and I are talking about).
Water is basically incompressible, so the body of water in front of the boat
acts in such a way as to stop the boat, although a water current would carry
the boat along with it. I have no problem with this, of course, but this is
where the analogy ends when solid matter, rather than deBroglie wavelength
"particles," are considered in an aether.
I ask once again, where is your evidence (not assumptions) that light is
deviated off course by some kind of E-W bias?
Neville.
Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My responce to you in green....Me in Light blue
In green response to me in Blue :
Me in blue response to you in red
Planets, stars, the Sun and the Moon are all moving not only with but through
the aether, yet the movements of the heavens are like clockwork. There is no
slowing down of these objects.
I think you you looking at this backwards...If you take a steel rod and force
it through a orange you can do that........ but if every thing observed were
equivalent to pushing a rod through a orange then there would be no way to
distinguish this from anything else because that is/ would be the normal
resistance to all mechanics observed. We could theorize about what the orange
is made of and what the nature of the force we are using is but at the end of
the day it would just be normal with no metric by which to evaluate that force
. Now take that rod and put it in a drill and cause it to spin it will go
through the orange a little more readily..only now do we a point of reference
from which to establish any meaningful measure of the force required in our
everyday mechanical exercise. You can measure the natural resistance because
you would have nothing to measure its against however in the DePalumer and
Aspden motor we can see that the addtiona of spin makes pathways
though the aether and can be explained/ correlate to at least some ordinary
fluid /hydro-dynamic process.....Take a spinning rod place it in a liquid and
spin at high velocity then disconnect the rod such that the rod free
floats,,now the rod will eventually come to a standstill but there is still a
vortex of water that won?t have enough force to spin the rod but will enable
less force to be use to get the rod spinning again...this is experimentally
reproducible and easily understood..now as for the Moon and stars they are
travailing with the aether why would there be any resistance to the aether such
that it would cause them to slow down or act like anything other then Clock
work ? If a fluid is spinning or in motion a object will travel with it now
some objects are smaller and denser while others are more massive but just as
in the case of any river if you observe all objects in it do not travel at the
same speed but neither do they all come to a stop because of the
resistance to the water...I think you are looking at it backwards..
The objects in a river are all flowing in the same way as the river. Planets,
for example, are not always flowing in the same way as the aether, but often
against it.
How do you know they are not flowing with the aether?....The aether
although we may consider it "homogeneous" does not necessarily mean
unidirectional. The "homogeneous" oceans have many different currents that run
in different directions and in different layers although they are found in the
same sea water that circulates throughout the oceans..
As for your example of the clockwork orange, I do not follow your reasoning.
You would not/ could not objectively measure the resistance to the orange
if everything were in a orange but as in the spinning gyroscope you can measure
the difference in resistence spinning has on the resistance moving through a
orange/ aether...if everything weighed as much as I do then there would be no
point of reference that would give any meaning to 180lbs. How do you weigh the
ultimate scale you weigh everything else against?..You cant use everything else
you weighed on that scale to weigh itself, that has no meaning. That would
still just be equivocating to itself which means what .....nothing
objectively..? everything moving in the aether would must be measured against
it so how do you measure the aether?..you cant directly but you can denote
changes in it based on various criteria it is those changes that give
comprehensible useful meaning to the aether...or you could just ignore those
differences and say it does not exist at all, because without those
differences there would be no objective meaning to it... resistance,
viscosity, density or otherwise...?... That what MS attempts but that is not
LO&E..
The resistance is there for sure but what you measure is something that
causes less resistance such as a spinning object in the river not some
resistance to the river that will eventually cause the objects to come to a
stop or slow down....the currents and wave forms in the river have far more
force in them then the water in a stagnate pond...There is resistance in both
the river water and pond water but the resistance can really only be observed
and measured in terms of change in motion within the river or pond because tho
objects in it are travailing with it. The only resistance that can be measured
is the observed fact that some objects do move faster then others Moon sun
stars.. .......However, even in a pond that is perfectly still a small boat
will drift almost indefinitely if pushed
No, I not not think that it will. Please explain the physics behind your
assumption of the continual drifting of the boat.
not withstanding the other influences such as gravity and surface tension
and such things about which we are attempting to ascertain about the aether
itself in these very discussions............If there were no wave form created
in front of the boat then there would be little to not resistance for the
boat.......(take a boat and push it along a still body of water wach what
hapens and how/when it slows down). The only idfference here with the aether is
the energy threshold limits for any given wave form.....As I cited in the
previous experiments they give us figures and observations to evaluate and
measure those threshold limits in respect to ordinary matter........in fluids
"resistance" is almost exclusively a function of the wave forms acting in any
given fluid(s). Although the nature of any wave forms in a fluid medium are
determined via the properties of the medium the fluid medium itself does not
determine resistance only the nature of the wave forms travailing
though a medium will. That is one of the most basic differences between a
"solid" and a "fluid"..and there are all extremes in between.. the diference
between solids and liquids is merely the energy thershold limit for any given
waveform or matter to traverse it/through it.,,once that energy threshold limit
is overcome the only issues to "resitance" is the type of wave forms
created...this is why super cooled simcondutors become superconductors they
lower the energy threshold limits for certain wave forms.
until such time as some wave form created by its relative movement to the
edge of the pond or some other object in the pond reflects back to eventually
cause it to stop but the waves created by also allow it to resume with less
force the initial force needed ..There is nothing new or different
here......GRAVITY pushing waves!
Furthermore, when I was associated with firing powerful lasers directly up
through the atmosphere, I noticed no such tendency of light to deviate from its
initial direction (other than random refraction of course).
As for lasers they are disturbed in a measurable e-w direction way just as
laser light is disturbed in a measurable way via a flowing river ( you can
detect the direction of the river)but the direction of the beam itself is not
altered if it originates in the water just as the direction of a beam is not
altered in the aether.
You are talking of the Arago effect of light going through glass, water,
etc., which is completely different. Where is the evidence that light is bent
with any form of E-W bias?
If the aether behaves/ exhibits properties like a fluid (the afore
mentioned experiments shows that it does) then it does not matter the principle
is the same for the aether as it is for a laser in a river...motion affects the
light not necessarily the path of light ..in the same way that in a river it
clearly moves other objects in the river even in various eddies and such but
the path of a laser is not affected. call it what you want but light does not
behave the same as ordinary matter in any theorectical frame work based on O&E.
We should be looking a it as a Hydrodynamic process waves and
all................
Neville.
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