SWM wrote: >the third premise hinges on what is shown in the CR and the point is >that it is NOT shown to be the case in the CR unless you already >presume dualism -- which, as we have seen, you do. neither I nor Searle nor the CRT presume anything more than the basic fact of philosophy of consciousness: there is subjective experience in an objective universe. this is a phenomenological dualism. Searle's phenomenological dualism is an ontological dualism because it has two ontological basics; but, phenomenological dualism is not necessarily substance dualism; and, in Searle's case, it is not --- precisely because Searle only has one ontologically basic kind of 'stuff'. his other ontological basic, subjective experience, is an ontologically basic phenomenon. Joe -- Nothing Unreal is Self-Aware @^@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@^@ http://what-am-i.net @^@~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~@^@ ========================================== Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/