iro3isdx wrote: >> Your CD player works by manipulating symbols >> according to their shape. Nothing could possibly create the sound of >> orchestral music by such manipulation. Anybody who thinks that a CD >> player could actually produce the sounds of orchestral music must >> be caught in the grips of an ideology. I will consider you caught in the grips of the same ideology as Stuart if you believe your CD player can appreciate the music it plays in the same conscious subjective sense that you can appreciate it. I think you will agree it cannot. Your CD player can have no conscious appreciation of music because it does no more than manipulate symbols according to their shapes, i.e., it does no more than perform syntactic operations over formal elements. It cannot understand the meanings of the musical notes for the same reason the man in the room cannot understand the meanings of the Chinese symbols: syntax by itself is neither constitutive of nor sufficient for semantics. -gts ========================================== Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/