> --- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "BruceD" <blroadies@> wrote: > To summarize: My problem with "brain causes mind" is that it puts mind > at the end of a causal chain that began, I guess, with the Big Bang. But this doesn't have to seem to follow. Causation can be synchronic, like the causation which continuously keeps the chair firmly wedded to the floor. And that the brain causes consciousness in the above way (details for further research, though not strong AI research!) doesn't limit the causal powers of a mind to allow the body (which is part mind, part bone and zillions of tissues and cells and brain which realizes mind) to do all the things your original intuitions are ducky with, including the "realm talk" of the space of reasons which makes Fodor's skin crawl. So what's the real problem for Searle? Something Stuart made up? Not really. After all of Stuart's bad analysis, he accepts Searle's position. That he calls it dualist just means Stuart is conflating functional with 1st-order properties and making dooty on the floor. Wish he would clean up his act! Cheers, Budd ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/