[sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead enemy soldier

  • From: "Lee, NI7I" <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:22:25 -0700

One of the th9ings that irritate me is people who make claims to know what goes on during the course of armed conflict. Especially one whose only contact with a uniformed enemy is having drinks served by him at a bar.


Lee


On 9/12/2014 10:12 AM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
Lee
Sorry if I misled you into thinking I was stating fact and not opinion. On the rest of your post we agree to disagree.
Stan
In a message dated 9/12/2014 1:07:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

    That was my point... Opinions should be stated as such.  As for
    your "questions", They just dont make sense.  It does, as a matter
    of FACT whether I was there or not.  Since I was not, I am in no
    position to judge those acts.  Those that would judge an act of
    cowardice without more information are simply not in a position to
    do so.  Most people have no idea what "cowardice " is.
    I dont see how any of this has to do with properly identifying the
    dead.  Does urine somehow erase the identity ?
    In my humble opinion, your questions are little better than gibberish.

    Lee

    On 9/12/2014 9:41 AM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for
    DMARC) wrote:
    Lee
    Sorry old fellar, if my original post didn't mention humble
    opinion then it should of. However my
    humble opinion and everyone elses still stands whether we or you
    were there or not. Any response to
    five of my points?
    Stanley
    In a message dated 9/12/2014 12:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
    pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

        Stan, your memory is short. In your original post there was
        no mention of your opinion humble or otherwise. Since I wasnt
        there,
        I cant judge those soldiers... Neither can you.

        On 9/12/2014 8:30 AM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for
        DMARC) wrote:
        Lee
        Scroll down and see my first three words, "My humble
        opinion...". Aren't we all entitled to opinions?
        "Pissing on a dead enemy soldier" has gotten me more
        responses on most anything I have posted?
        1. How many of you reading this would piss on a dead enemy
        soldier if you had the opportunity?
        2. How would you know what if any dirty crimes he might have
        committed other then doing his duty of
            trying to kill you?
        3. What can you possibly accomplish by this? IN FACT some
        might interpret this as an act of a coward?
        4. Can you see the obvious dangerous reactions if such an
        event became public?
        5. Don't you agree with me that it is best in all cases to
        treat a dead body with respect and where
            possible give it a proper funeral of his culture or at
        least bury it with a proper ID marker and keep a
            record of it to reduce the number of missing in action
        cases the same as you would like the enemy
            to do for us?
        6. Enough said.
        Stanley
        In a message dated 9/11/2014 6:18:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight
        Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

            My point Stan, is that you said that that was something
            a professional soldier would not do...  It may not be
            something you would want him to do. I can think of a
            number of
            professionals in my acquaintance that probably would
            have.  I cant recall being in a position where I chose
            to take the time for such a display.. Too busy surviving
            I guess.
            You simply are not qualified to say what a professional
            WOULD or even SHOULD do.  Having a drink served by
            german soldiers certainly does not qualify you.



            Lee


            On 9/11/2014 2:24 PM, (Redacted sender
            Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
            Pixie
            My humble opinion, never ran across a dead enemy
            warrior but at an Officers Bar during or soon after WW2
            I was told the bar tenders were all German POWs which
            was my only personal contact with the enemy. By the way
            JS so far hasn't confirmed that he ran across a dead
            enemy soldier? Would you piss on a dead enemy soldier
            if you had the opportunity? I obviously wouldn't.
            Stanley
            In a message dated 9/11/2014 4:49:22 P.M. Eastern
            Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

                Just curious stan, how much experience do you have
                as a professional soldier, or is this your opinion
                about what a professional soldier would
                do?



                On 9/11/2014 12:07 PM, (Redacted sender
                Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
                JS
                You are doing quite a bit of cherry picking of
                your own by not replying to my direct questions. I
                still believe
                pissing on any dead man, warrior or not is
                childish that a professional soldier would not
                do under any circumstance. My understanding is
                that cowards usually live by running away and that
                is why they are called cowards.
                Comrade B.
                In a message dated 9/11/2014 1:54:39 P.M. Eastern
                Daylight Time, schalestock@xxxxxxxx writes:

                    Stanley,
                    As usual, you seem to cherry pick a few words
                    out of context and ignore the total comment.
                    So let me put it another way. True warriors DO
                    respect each other . We hated the NVA but we
                    respected them - right up to the point they
                    committed unnecessary atrocites on our men.
                    A warrior deals in death - both the enemy's
                    and the possibility of his own. This is
                    accepted as part of the life they have chosen.
                    What is not accepted is the brutality of
                    cowards. Then payback comes in kind. Pissing
                    on a coward's corpse is sending a message to
                    his friends that they are not respected as
                    warriors or even as men.  But I don't really
                    expect you to get any of this.
                    JS


                    ---------- Original Message ----------
                    From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                    (Redacted sender "Sblumen123@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
                    To: chucksright@xxxxxxxxx
                    Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead
                    enemy soldier
                    Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:37:52 -0400

                    Chuck
                    You haven't heard of the Genieva Convention on
                    the rules of war? Per my item 3. I like to
                    think that not even all ISIS fighters believe
                    in chopping off heads and mass shooting of
                    civilian men laying on the ground with their
                    hands tied behind their back plus I don't
                    believe the dead soldier pissed on was an
                    ISIS? Anyhow not all of our enemy warriors are
                    the same. Incidentally how would any soldier
                    know if the dead enemy soldier before him had
                    committed some terrible crime?
                    Stanley
                    In a message dated 9/10/2014 9:01:26 P.M.
                    Eastern Daylight Time, chucksright@xxxxxxxxx
                    writes:

                        C'mon Stan, you want us to to do battle
                        under the Marquis of Queensbury rules
                        while they kick us in the balls (or should
                        I say cut off our heads).  You are blinded
                        to the facts by your loony Socialist
                        philosophy.
                        Chuck

                        On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM,
                        <Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
                        <mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx>> wrote:

                            Attention John Shalestock, our house
                            warrior
                            1. After some thought I am proposing
                            that it is extremely
                            childish accomplishing  nothing except
                            inviting ridicule and endangering ones
                            self and all comrades and embarrassing
                            our country making it more difficult
                            to win a war plus being counter to the
                            Genieva Convention on warfare, even if
                            the dead soldier is a butcher
                            murdering women and children.
                            2. Those who did the pissing should be
                            brought to trial and if found guilty
                            should be punished the same as
                            any other war time crime.
                            3. Not all enemy warriors are the same
                            devils, some like on our side will
                            have doubts about the justification
                            of their war, some may even come over
                            to our side or even turn into spies
                            for us?
                            4. It should be required training that
                            all warriors should be taught to treat
                            prisoners and dead enemies with
                            respect and where possible they should
                            be given a funeral of their culture
                            regardless of their alleged crimes.
                            5. Remember Viet Nam where a squad
                            took their vengence on women and
                            children which was a terrible
                            embarrassment to all of us.
                            Stanley



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