Stan, you would be better advised to address issues that you know. You obviously dont know me or what I did before I started sailing.. I know of your experience because of what you said about it. You know nothing of mine and, until you do, you should keep your mouth shut about it. I dont chose to share it with you. I really dont consider you worthy of it. I dont believe that you have much personal knowledge of what other merchant marine radio officers experience is in this regard either. You seem to base it on yours.
Lee NI7I On 9/12/2014 4:39 PM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote:
LeeWowee, you cant let go of this pissing on a dead enemy soldier item? You are 100% right, I have zero experience dealing with dead enemy soldiers and I believe neither do you? If so does that mean you shouldn't have an opinion one way or another on this subject? Most Radio Officers in the Merchant Marine I believe haven't either? Does that also mean that only those with that kind of experience should be heard on our tiny net work? How about the rest of the U.S. population, should they have an opinion and be allowed to express it, not having any experience with dead enemy soldiers?StanleyIn a message dated 9/12/2014 6:16:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:Although it is your opinion, it is an opinion with a background of valid experience. Stans opinion on the same subject, has no such experience to back it up. Lee On 9/12/2014 10:44 AM, schalestock@xxxxxxxx wrote:Lee, Not that it will make any difference to Stanley, but the events leading up the pissing incident are well documented because of the ensuing courtmartials. (not that Stanley is ever bothered byfacts.) Given the events, I would have pissed on him too. Stanley doesn't seem to understand that you can both respect andkill an enemy. That's an entirely different thing from showing disrespect for one who has unnecessarily mutilated one of your comrades. But I guess I better add this is only my opinion. JS ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Lee, NI7I" <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead enemy soldier Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:22:25 -0700 One of the th9ings that irritate me is people who make claims to know what goes on during the course of armed conflict. Especially one whose only contact with a uniformed enemy is having drinks served by him at a bar. Lee On 9/12/2014 10:12 AM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote: Lee Sorry if I misled you into thinking I was stating fact and not opinion. On the rest of your post we agree to disagree. Stan In a message dated 9/12/2014 1:07:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: That was my point... Opinions should be stated as such. As for your "questions", They just dont make sense. It does, as a matter of FACT whether I was there or not. Since I was not, I am in no position to judge those acts. Those that would judge an act of cowardice without more information are simply not in a position to do so. Most people have no idea what "cowardice " is. I dont see how any of this has to do with properly identifying the dead. Does urine somehow erase the identity ? In my humble opinion, your questions are little better than gibberish. Lee On 9/12/2014 9:41 AM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote: Lee Sorry old fellar, if my original post didn't mention humble opinion then it should of. However my humble opinion and everyone elses still stands whether we or you were there or not. Any response to five of my points? Stanley In a message dated 9/12/2014 12:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Stan, your memory is short. In your original post there was no mention of your opinion humble or otherwise. Since I wasnt there, I cant judge those soldiers... Neither can you. On 9/12/2014 8:30 AM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote: Lee Scroll down and see my first three words, "My humble opinion...". Aren't we all entitled to opinions? "Pissing on a dead enemy soldier" has gotten me more responses on most anything I have posted? 1. How many of you reading this would piss on a dead enemy soldier if you had the opportunity? 2. How would you know what if any dirty crimes he might have committed other then doing his duty of trying to kill you? 3. What can you possibly accomplish by this? IN FACT some might interpret this as an act of a coward? 4. Can you see the obvious dangerous reactions if such an event became public? 5. Don't you agree with me that it is best in all cases to treat a dead body with respect and where possible give it a proper funeral of his culture or at least bury it with a proper ID marker and keep a record of it to reduce the number of missing in action cases the same as you would like the enemy to do for us? 6. Enough said. Stanley In a message dated 9/11/2014 6:18:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: My point Stan, is that you said that that was something a professional soldier would not do... It may not be something you would want him to do. I can think of a number of professionals in my acquaintance that probably would have. I cant recall being in a position where I chose to take the time for such a display.. Too busy surviving I guess. You simply are not qualified to say whata professional WOULD or even SHOULD do. Having a drink served by german soldierscertainly does not qualify you. Lee On 9/11/2014 2:24 PM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote: Pixie My humble opinion, never ran across a dead enemy warrior but at an Officers Bar during or soon after WW2 I was told the bar tenders were all German POWs which was my only personal contact with the enemy. By the way JS so far hasn't confirmed that he ran across a dead enemy soldier? Would you piss on a dead enemy soldier if you had the opportunity? I obviously wouldn't. Stanley In a message dated 9/11/2014 4:49:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Just curious stan, how much experience do you have as a professional soldier, or is this your opinion about what a professional soldier would do? On 9/11/2014 12:07 PM, (Redacted sender Sblumen123@xxxxxxx for DMARC) wrote: JS You are doing quite a bit of cherry picking of your own by not replying to my direct questions. I still believe pissing on any dead man, warrior or not is childish that a professional soldier would not do under any circumstance. My understanding is that cowards usually live by running away and that is why they are called cowards. Comrade B. In a message dated 9/11/2014 1:54:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, schalestock@xxxxxxxx writes: Stanley, As usual, you seem to cherry pick a few words out of context and ignore the total comment. So let me put it another way. True warriors DO respect each other . We hated the NVA but we respected them - right up to the point they committed unnecessary atrocites on our men. A warrior deals in death - both the enemy's and the possibility of his own. This is accepted as part of the life they have chosen. What is not accepted is the brutality of cowards. Then payback comes in kind. Pissing on a coward's corpse is sending a message to his friends that they are not respected as warriors or even as men. But I don't really expect you to get any of this. JS ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "Sblumen123@xxxxxxx" for DMARC) To: chucksright@xxxxxxxxx Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead enemy soldier Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:37:52 -0400 Chuck You haven't heard of the Genieva Convention on the rules of war? Per my item 3. I like to think that not even all ISIS fighters believe in chopping off heads and mass shooting of civilian men laying on the ground with their hands tied behind their back plus I don't believe the dead soldier pissed on was an ISIS? Anyhow not all of our enemy warriors are the same. Incidentally how would any soldier know if the dead enemy soldier before him had committed some terrible crime? Stanley In a message dated 9/10/2014 9:01:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chucksright@xxxxxxxxx writes: C'mon Stan, you want us to to do battle under the Marquis of Queensbury rules while they kick us in the balls (or should I say cut off our heads). You are blinded to the facts by your loony Socialist philosophy. Chuck On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, <Sblumen123@xxxxxxx <mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx>> wrote: Attention John Shalestock, our house warrior 1. After some thought I am proposing that it is extremely childish accomplishing nothing except inviting ridicule and endangering ones self and all comrades and embarrassing our country making it more difficult to win a war plus being counter to the Genieva Convention on warfare, even if the dead soldier is a butcher murdering women and children. 2. Those who did the pissing should be brought to trial and if found guilty should be punished the same as any other war time crime. 3. Not all enemy warriors are the same devils, some like on our side will have doubts about the justification of their war, some may even come over to our side or even turn into spies for us? 4. It should be required training that all warriors should be taught to treat prisoners and dead enemies with respect and where possible they should be given a funeral of their culture regardless of their alleged crimes. 5. Remember Viet Nam where a squad took their vengence on women and children which was a terrible embarrassment to all of us. 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