[sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead enemy soldier
- From: "" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "Sblumen123@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 14:35:49 -0400
JS
I never said I knew the facts of this case but you here indicated that you
do? IS IT A FACT THAT THE PISSERS WERE COURTMARTIALED? What was the
punishment if any? Do you realize that this means that the Military agrees
with my
point of view, not yours? Was it brought out at the trial what this dead
enemy did that got the soldiers to piss on him? You state that it is WELL
DOCUMENTED then how about posting the significant parts or don't you have or
cannot get what should be public? Would you still piss on a dead enemy if
you knew you would be courtmartialed? I am always interested in the facts.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP, THIS IS IMPORTANT.
Stanley B.
In a message dated 9/12/2014 1:46:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schalestock@xxxxxxxx writes:
Lee,
Not that it will make any difference to Stanley, but the events leading up
the pissing incident are well documented because of the ensuing
courtmartials. (not that Stanley is ever bothered by facts.) Given the events,
I
would have pissed on him too. Stanley doesn't seem to understand that you can
both respect and kill an enemy. That's an entirely different thing from
showing disrespect for one who has unnecessarily mutilated one of your
comrades. But I guess I better add this is only my opinion.
JS
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Lee, NI7I" <pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead enemy soldier
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:22:25 -0700
One of the th9ings that irritate me is people who make claims to know what
goes on during the course of armed
conflict. Especially one whose only contact with a uniformed enemy is
having drinks served by him at a bar.
Lee
On 9/12/2014 10:12 AM, (Redacted sender _Sblumen123@aol.com_
(mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx) for DMARC) wrote:
Lee
Sorry if I misled you into thinking I was stating fact and not opinion. On
the rest of your post we agree to disagree.
Stan
In a message dated 9/12/2014 1:07:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_pixiehat@charter.net_ (mailto:pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
That was my point... Opinions should be stated as such. As for your
"questions", They just dont make sense. It does, as a matter
of FACT whether I was there or not. Since I was not, I am in no position
to judge those acts. Those that would judge an act of
cowardice without more information are simply not in a position to do so.
Most people have no idea what "cowardice " is.
I dont see how any of this has to do with properly identifying the dead.
Does urine somehow erase the identity ?
In my humble opinion, your questions are little better than gibberish.
Lee
On 9/12/2014 9:41 AM, (Redacted sender _Sblumen123@aol.com_
(mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx) for DMARC) wrote:
Lee
Sorry old fellar, if my original post didn't mention humble opinion then
it should of. However my
humble opinion and everyone elses still stands whether we or you were
there or not. Any response to
five of my points?
Stanley
In a message dated 9/12/2014 12:09:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_pixiehat@charter.net_ (mailto:pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
Stan, your memory is short. In your original post there was no mention of
your opinion humble or otherwise. Since I wasnt there,
I cant judge those soldiers... Neither can you.
On 9/12/2014 8:30 AM, (Redacted sender _Sblumen123@aol.com_
(mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx) for DMARC) wrote:
Lee
Scroll down and see my first three words, "My humble opinion...". Aren't
we all entitled to opinions?
"Pissing on a dead enemy soldier" has gotten me more responses on most
anything I have posted?
1. How many of you reading this would piss on a dead enemy soldier if you
had the opportunity?
2. How would you know what if any dirty crimes he might have committed
other then doing his duty of
trying to kill you?
3. What can you possibly accomplish by this? IN FACT some might interpret
this as an act of a coward?
4. Can you see the obvious dangerous reactions if such an event became
public?
5. Don't you agree with me that it is best in all cases to treat a dead
body with respect and where
possible give it a proper funeral of his culture or at least bury it
with a proper ID marker and keep a
record of it to reduce the number of missing in action cases the same
as you would like the enemy
to do for us?
6. Enough said.
Stanley
In a message dated 9/11/2014 6:18:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_pixiehat@charter.net_ (mailto:pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
My point Stan, is that you said that that was something a professional
soldier would not do... It may not be something you would want him to do. I
can think of a number of
professionals in my acquaintance that probably would have. I cant recall
being in a position where I chose to take the time for such a display.. Too
busy surviving I guess.
You simply are not qualified to say what a professional WOULD or even
SHOULD do. Having a drink served by german soldiers certainly does not
qualify
you.
Lee
On 9/11/2014 2:24 PM, (Redacted sender _Sblumen123@aol.com_
(mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx) for DMARC) wrote:
Pixie
My humble opinion, never ran across a dead enemy warrior but at an
Officers Bar during or soon after WW2
I was told the bar tenders were all German POWs which was my only personal
contact with the enemy. By the way JS so far hasn't confirmed that he ran
across a dead enemy soldier? Would you piss on a dead enemy soldier if you
had the opportunity? I obviously wouldn't.
Stanley
In a message dated 9/11/2014 4:49:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_pixiehat@charter.net_ (mailto:pixiehat@xxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
Just curious stan, how much experience do you have as a professional
soldier, or is this your opinion about what a professional soldier would
do?
On 9/11/2014 12:07 PM, (Redacted sender _Sblumen123@aol.com_
(mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx) for DMARC) wrote:
JS
You are doing quite a bit of cherry picking of your own by not replying to
my direct questions. I still believe
pissing on any dead man, warrior or not is childish that a professional
soldier would not do under any circumstance. My understanding is that cowards
usually live by running away and that is why they are called cowards.
Comrade B.
In a message dated 9/11/2014 1:54:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_schalestock@juno.com_ (mailto:schalestock@xxxxxxxx) writes:
Stanley,
As usual, you seem to cherry pick a few words out of context and ignore
the total comment.
So let me put it another way. True warriors DO respect each other . We
hated the NVA but we respected them - right up to the point they committed
unnecessary atrocites on our men.
A warrior deals in death - both the enemy's and the possibility of his own.
This is accepted as part of the life they have chosen. What is not
accepted is the brutality of cowards. Then payback comes in kind. Pissing on
a
coward's corpse is sending a message to his friends that they are not
respected as warriors or even as men. But I don't really expect you to get
any
of this.
JS
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Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Pissing on a dead enemy soldier
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:37:52 -0400
Chuck
You haven't heard of the Genieva Convention on the rules of war? Per my
item 3. I like to think that not even all ISIS fighters believe in chopping
off heads and mass shooting of civilian men laying on the ground with their
hands tied behind their back plus I don't believe the dead soldier pissed
on was an ISIS? Anyhow not all of our enemy warriors are the same.
Incidentally how would any soldier know if the dead enemy soldier before him
had
committed some terrible crime?
Stanley
In a message dated 9/10/2014 9:01:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_chucksright@gmail.com_ (mailto:chucksright@xxxxxxxxx) writes:
C'mon Stan, you want us to to do battle under the Marquis of Queensbury
rules while they kick us in the balls (or should I say cut off our heads).
You are blinded to the facts by your loony Socialist philosophy.
Chuck
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:56 PM, <_Sblumen123@aol.com_
(mailto:Sblumen123@xxxxxxx) > wrote:
Attention John Shalestock, our house warrior
1. After some thought I am proposing that it is extremely childish
accomplishing nothing except inviting ridicule and endangering ones self and
all
comrades and embarrassing our country making it more difficult to win a
war plus being counter to the Genieva Convention on warfare, even if the
dead soldier is a butcher murdering women and children.
2. Those who did the pissing should be brought to trial and if found
guilty should be punished the same as
any other war time crime.
3. Not all enemy warriors are the same devils, some like on our side will
have doubts about the justification
of their war, some may even come over to our side or even turn into spies
for us?
4. It should be required training that all warriors should be taught to
treat prisoners and dead enemies with
respect and where possible they should be given a funeral of their culture
regardless of their alleged crimes.
5. Remember Viet Nam where a squad took their vengence on women and
children which was a terrible
embarrassment to all of us.
Stanley
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