[sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:15:44 -0500
Search for dead sea scrolls Jesus with google.
You will find either #2 or #3 from grantjeffries.com. It mentions a
fragment released in 1991 that mentions a messiah who was crucified, it is
just a fragment of a ms. I am attaching a copy of the page, save if
needed and open with your browser.
You might enjoy that reading.
It is fascinating.
I had a friend who was a koine Greek expert, he graduated from sixth grade,
and had to go to work, his name was William Pierpont, he assembled one of
the oldest New Testiment ms. Bill also wrote a book about
radiotelegraphy. I wish he was still around so I could ask him as he was
familiar with those Essine scrolls. I have a book with many of those
fragments, I will check to see if that fragment was cataloged at the time
the book was written.
73
DR
On Feb 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> DR,
> Yes, it would appear that it was written before the gospels were written,
> but still 60 years after Christ's death. My studies on the subject were
> done 40 years ago and I wasn't aware of this Josephus fellow. I remember it
> was a great hope when the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, which were written
> during the time of Christ, that they would shed more light on Christ but
> unfortunately they didn't mention him.
>
> In any case you didn't understand a word I said about faith. Wish I could
> explain it better. Hope you find it someday.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
> Sent: Feb 16, 2013 9:42 PM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
>
> According to you, it's before the gospels were written.
>
> How about saying "No matter what you say or show me, I will never believe
> otherwise than what I believe now."
>
> I think that might help matters, or maybe I can find the CNN news feed for
> Good Friday, 33 AD?
>
> 73
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> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From wikipedia:
>>
>> "The extant manuscripts of the writings of the 1st century
>> Romano<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_citizenship>
>> -Jewish historian<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_historians>
>> Flavius
>> Josephus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Josephus> include
>> references to Jesus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus> and the origins
>> of Christianity <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Christianity>.[1
>> ]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFeldmanHata198754-57-1>
>> [2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFlavius_JosephusMaier1995284-285-2>Josephus'
>> *Antiquities of the
>> Jews<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities_of_the_Jews>
>> *, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books
>> 18<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XVIII#Chapter_3>and
>> 20<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XX#Chapter_9>and
>> a reference to John
>> the Baptist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist> in Book
>> 18<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XVIII#Chapter_5>
>> .[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFeldmanHata198754-57-1>
>> [3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFlavius_JosephusMaier199512-3>
>> "
>>
>> This is still 60 years after his death.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "David J. J. Ring, Jr." **
>> Sent: Feb 16, 2013 8:28 PM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
>>
>> **************
>> The historian Josiphus records Jesus' crucification among others. The
>> gospels were written before 100 CE (AD). Many people disobey G-d's laws.
>> Again and again archelogical digs have verified the existance of events in
>> OT and NT.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> DR
>>
>> --
>> Sent from my Android nook color
>> with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>
>> Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> DR,
>>> There are no historical records that show Jesus Christ ever lived, let
>>> alone of his death. The earliest writings about Christ, the books of
>>> Mathew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament, were not written until
>>> 100 years after Christ's death.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter what this person says or that person says. It's about
>>> having faith.
>>>
>>> For example, if it were an accepted fact that God commanded "Thou shall
>>> not kill", then there wouldn't be any wars, and rulers could not allow
>>> that. But if the story is wrapped up with a bunch of fairy tales then it is
>>> allowed to spread. Not everybody will believe it but at least the
>>> information is made available.
>>>
>>> A person who follows Christ's teachings is freed from fear, greed, and
>>> envy and soon begins to see things the way they really are. Many things th
>>> at didn't make sense start to become clear for the first time. This how a
>>> person begins to be able to think for themselves. It's extremely
>>> difficult to lie to a person who has no greed, fear, or envy. This is the
>>> power of faith.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I could explain it better.
>>>
>>> -RR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
>>> Sent: Feb 16, 2013 6:31 PM
>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
>>>
>>> SB,
>>>
>>> The Jews did not kill Jesus at all, the Romans did.
>>>
>>> The Roman church hasn't said that the Jews were responsible, that can be
>>> verified. There were some members of the church that wrongly said so, but
>>> it wasn't and isn't a teaching of the Catholic church, either the Roman
>>> Rite or the Eastern Rites.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> DR
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if
>>> I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common
>>> sense.” - Buddha
>>>
>>> ************
>>
>> "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government
>> take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry
>> Ford
>>
>>
> **
>
>
>
> "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government
> take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry
> Ford
>
>
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