[sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:42:12 -0500
According to you, it's before the gospels were written.
How about saying "No matter what you say or show me, I will never believe
otherwise than what I believe now."
I think that might help matters, or maybe I can find the CNN news feed for
Good Friday, 33 AD?
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On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From wikipedia:
>
> "The extant manuscripts of the writings of the 1st century
> Romano<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_citizenship>
> -Jewish historian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_historians>
> Flavius
> Josephus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Josephus> include
> references to Jesus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus> and the origins
> of Christianity
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Christianity>.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFeldmanHata198754-57-1>
> [2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFlavius_JosephusMaier1995284-285-2>Josephus'
> *Antiquities of the Jews<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquities_of_the_Jews>
> *, written around 93–94 AD, includes two references to Jesus in Books
> 18<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XVIII#Chapter_3>and
> 20<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XX#Chapter_9>and
> a reference to John
> the Baptist <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist> in Book
> 18<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Antiquities_of_the_Jews/Book_XVIII#Chapter_5>
> .[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFeldmanHata198754-57-1>
> [3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEFlavius_JosephusMaier199512-3>
> "
>
> This is still 60 years after his death.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "David J. J. Ring, Jr." **
> Sent: Feb 16, 2013 8:28 PM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
>
> **************
> The historian Josiphus records Jesus' crucification among others. The
> gospels were written before 100 CE (AD). Many people disobey G-d's laws.
> Again and again archelogical digs have verified the existance of events in
> OT and NT.
>
> 73
>
> DR
>
> --
> Sent from my Android nook color
> with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> DR,
>> There are no historical records that show Jesus Christ ever lived, let
>> alone of his death. The earliest writings about Christ, the books of
>> Mathew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament, were not written until
>> 100 years after Christ's death.
>>
>> It doesn't matter what this person says or that person says. It's about
>> having faith.
>>
>> For example, if it were an accepted fact that God commanded "Thou shall
>> not kill", then there wouldn't be any wars, and rulers could not allow
>> that. But if the story is wrapped up with a bunch of fairy tales then it is
>> allowed to spread. Not everybody will believe it but at least the
>> information is made available.
>>
>> A person who follows Christ's teachings is freed from fear, greed, and
>> envy and soon begins to see things the way they really are. Many things th
>> at didn't make sense start to become clear for the first time. This how a
>> person begins to be able to think for themselves. It's extremely
>> difficult to lie to a person who has no greed, fear, or envy. This is the
>> power of faith.
>>
>>
>> Wish I could explain it better.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
>> Sent: Feb 16, 2013 6:31 PM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: National Prayer Breakfast with Obama Present
>>
>> SB,
>>
>> The Jews did not kill Jesus at all, the Romans did.
>>
>> The Roman church hasn't said that the Jews were responsible, that can be
>> verified. There were some members of the church that wrongly said so, but
>> it wasn't and isn't a teaching of the Catholic church, either the Roman
>> Rite or the Eastern Rites.
>>
>> 73
>> DR
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>> “Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if
>> I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common
>> sense.” - Buddha
>>
>> ************
>
> "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government
> take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry
> Ford
>
>
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