[SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
- From: <Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:21:08 -0600
I would appreciate it if people didn't post "anonymous" comments. They
tend to lack credibility and cause un-necessary worry in others.
If someone has some facts they can backup; post them with your name and
company so we can investigate and discuss.
Thanks,
Aubrey Sparkman=20
Enterprise Engineering Signal Integrity Team
Dell, Inc.=20
Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx=20
(512) 723-3592
The Greatest Pleasure in Life is Doing what People say can't be done...
-----Original Message-----
From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of agathon
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 3:52 PM
To: si-list
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
Carlos,
Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs recline, or at least hope for
it. But you didn't. If the short answer is accurate, then Cadence has
discredited itself and impeded customer progress. Pardon my curiosity,
but does Cadence monitor this list for technical, or other, reasons?
"Working for years..." -- yes, exactly. At what? If the comments are
true, then you
seek "nicety"? Uh oh.
Further notes from the anonymous:
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"My experience, too, has been that the si tools were designed without
actual & basic user needs driving it. That's not opinion or
interpretation. It 'functions' until you have some complexity and
flexibility in mind. It also crashes alot. On the same machine other
large apps do not. The training avoids the situations exposing the weak
points, without 100% success, the docs are bloated and are absent on
some basics that are real capability deficits (conveniently) and tech
support has validated my use-model concerns."
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The dog wishes a nap.
On 1/10/07, Carlos Moll <cmoll@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Geez, not a nice way to discredit a solution in a public forum which=20
> has been in use and working for many years by the electronics design
community.
> Perhaps some product training, ae help or support can be leveraged to=20
> assist with your problems or conerns.
> Carlos Moll
> Cadence Design Systems
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: agathon [mailto:hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> To: si-list
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
>
> I recently received a comment about just this from an acquaintance:
> ----
> "Short answer: anyone trying to make full use of Cadence pcb si tools
> for interconnect sim and who, nevertheless, recommends it could make=20
> good use of counseling of some kind... or the receivers of that info=20
> could make good use
> of a polygraph test on the one recommending. All this based on 1st
hand
> experience over time."
>
> ----
> No info on Hyperlynx.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/07, cdomeny <craig.domeny@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > We are considering adding a base-model (<GHz) SI tool to our PCB=20
> > design flow and have looked at Mentor Hyperlynx EXT and Cadence=20
> > Orcad Sig Explorer. In research, it seems the Cadence tool does not=20
> > actually perform "physical extraction", but is able to do a=20
> > post-layout analysis somehow. Can anyone help?
> >
> > Hyperlynx "seems" more mature, but cost ~2X. However, we are=20
> > concerned also about post-layout, and if Hyperlynx actually extracts
> > the layout, it seems like a more robust method.
> >
> > Any help, insight, or guidance is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks, - Craig
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
>
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