[SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
- From: "k EPD" <epd2001usa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx, si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:14:12 -0500
I have used both - hyperlynx is easier to use / sig-explorer is difficult to
set up muliti-board environments......
Hyperlynx ! no brainer .............
Keith Kowal 781-593-0199 978-288-7776 (w) Nortel epd2001usa@xxxxxxxxxxx[1]
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From: agathon <hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:52:07 -0800
>Carlos,
>Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs recline, or at least hope for
>it. But you didn't. If the short answer is accurate, then Cadence has
>discredited itself and impeded customer progress. Pardon my curiosity, but
>does Cadence monitor this list for technical, or other, reasons? "Working
>for years..." -- yes, exactly. At what? If the comments are true, then you
>seek "nicety"? Uh oh.
>Further notes from the anonymous:
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>"My experience, too, has been that the si tools were designed without
actual
>&basic user needs driving it. That's not opinion or interpretation. It
>'functions' until you have some complexity and flexibility in mind. It also
>crashes alot. On the same machine other large apps do not. The training
>avoids the situations exposing the weak points, without 100% success, the
>docs are bloated and are absent on some basics that are real capability
>deficits (conveniently) and tech support has validated my use-model
>concerns."
>----------------------------
>
>The dog wishes a nap.
>
>
>
>On 1/10/07, Carlos Moll <cmoll@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>Geez, not a nice way to discredit a solution in a public forum which has
>>been in use and working for many years by the electronics design
community.
>>Perhaps some product training, ae help or support can be leveraged to
>>assist with your problems or conerns.
>>Carlos Moll
>>Cadence Design Systems
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: agathon [mailto:hreidmarkailen@xxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
>>To: si-list
>>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
>>
>>I recently received a comment about just this from an acquaintance:
>>----
>>"Short answer: anyone trying to make full use of Cadence pcb si tools for
>>interconnect sim and who, nevertheless, recommends it could make good use
>>of
>>counseling of some kind... or the receivers of that info could make good
>>use
>>of a polygraph test on the one recommending. All this based on 1st hand
>>experience over time."
>>
>>----
>>No info on Hyperlynx.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 1/9/07, cdomeny <craig.domeny@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>We are considering adding a base-model (<GHz) SI tool to our PCB design
>>>flow and have looked at Mentor Hyperlynx EXT and Cadence Orcad Sig
>>>Explorer. In research, it seems the Cadence tool does not actually
>>>perform "physical extraction", but is able to do a post-layout analysis
>>>somehow. Can anyone help?
>>>
>>>Hyperlynx "seems" more mature, but cost ~2X. However, we are concerned
>>>also about post-layout, and if Hyperlynx actually extracts the layout,
>>>it seems like a more robust method.
>>>
>>>Any help, insight, or guidance is appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks, - Craig
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