[SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
- From: "ryansatrom" <ryan.satrom@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:16:25 -0000
Agathon-
Stop digging yourself in a hole. "Your friend" may have had a hard
time with the software, but like Gary said, any choice between tools
should be based on what they are used for.
Why are you posting somebody else's comments anyway? Why are you
commenting on something you know absolutely nothing about?
This list is great when seeking feedback from knowledgable
professionals. Not gossip and heresay from some anonymous email that
one may or may not have received.
Ryan Satrom
ECT
--- In si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, agathon <hreidmarkailen@...> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> Sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs recline, or at least
hope for
> it. But you didn't. If the short answer is accurate, then Cadence
has
> discredited itself and impeded customer progress. Pardon my
curiosity, but
> does Cadence monitor this list for technical, or other,
reasons? "Working
> for years..." -- yes, exactly. At what? If the comments are true,
then you
> seek "nicety"? Uh oh.
> Further notes from the anonymous:
> ----------------------------
> "My experience, too, has been that the si tools were designed
without actual
> & basic user needs driving it. That's not opinion or
interpretation. It
> 'functions' until you have some complexity and flexibility in
mind. It also
> crashes alot. On the same machine other large apps do not. The
training
> avoids the situations exposing the weak points, without 100%
success, the
> docs are bloated and are absent on some basics that are real
capability
> deficits (conveniently) and tech support has validated my use-model
> concerns."
> ----------------------------
>
> The dog wishes a nap.
>
>
>
> On 1/10/07, Carlos Moll <cmoll@...> wrote:
> >
> > Geez, not a nice way to discredit a solution in a public forum
which has
> > been in use and working for many years by the electronics design
community.
> > Perhaps some product training, ae help or support can be
leveraged to
> > assist with your problems or conerns.
> > Carlos Moll
> > Cadence Design Systems
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: agathon [mailto:hreidmarkailen@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:45 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > To: si-list
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Hyperlynx vs Signal Explorer
> >
> > I recently received a comment about just this from an
acquaintance:
> > ----
> > "Short answer: anyone trying to make full use of Cadence pcb si
tools for
> > interconnect sim and who, nevertheless, recommends it could make
good use
> > of
> > counseling of some kind... or the receivers of that info could
make good
> > use
> > of a polygraph test on the one recommending. All this based on
1st hand
> > experience over time."
> >
> > ----
> > No info on Hyperlynx.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/9/07, cdomeny <craig.domeny@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > We are considering adding a base-model (<GHz) SI tool to our
PCB design
> > > flow and have looked at Mentor Hyperlynx EXT and Cadence Orcad
Sig
> > > Explorer. In research, it seems the Cadence tool does not
actually
> > > perform "physical extraction", but is able to do a post-layout
analysis
> > > somehow. Can anyone help?
> > >
> > > Hyperlynx "seems" more mature, but cost ~2X. However, we are
concerned
> > > also about post-layout, and if Hyperlynx actually extracts the
layout,
> > > it seems like a more robust method.
> > >
> > > Any help, insight, or guidance is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks, - Craig
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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