I Hi..I respect your opinion...and am not basing my statements on hearsay. Early on in dogs.Steve and I both. started with import lines.Long before I knew Steve..he did schutzhund and obedience..I,too spent a large sum of money at that time on a puppy sired by a well-bred west German dog..out of a bitch that was a well bred German bitch...I gave her away because of poor temperament...when the owners had to crawl into the dog house to get the dam..I should have know their were problems. I also had a half German/amercian dog, that I tried to incorporate into my breeding program..he produced some good obedience dogs..but nothing to show..no matter who he was bred to....so I have already been this route.....when breeding..I did not get the best of both worlds..genes don't evenly distribute in that manner...some had American traits..some had German..and some were just a mish mosh..bottom line...never got anything that I would consider showable.I am not anti- using import lines...I just think it should be done so in a judicious manner..only using the best American bitches..with the best temperaments..bred to and equal import dog..keep only the progeny that express the desired improvements.if there are none..then you keep none. the fact that we can experiment in the fashion that we do is testimonial to the cultural difference between the Germans and Americans.C.Grainger I respect your opinion too, Christine.. The Boys from Berlin and the Girls from Germany are not perfect and it is quite a challenge breeding them , as it is American Breds. We have all seen the problems on both sides. It takes a long time learning those German lines and pedigrees and putting them together wisely, as it does the American breds. Because one has a bad experience with either German or American and does well with one or the other, is not a reason to assume All German imports are bad or All American breds are bad. There is that middle ground. Some of us are just trying to bring in characteristics we particularly admire in the Germ,an Shepherd with outcrossing, and others are doing something else.. There probably is not one right or wrong way. .It is just that , I believe, we should all respect each other's efforts as long as we are all trying to improve the Breed, in our own fashion.barb williams ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================