I don't get what you are saying, but let me give you an analogy..If I watch brain surgery brain surgery on TV..does that make me a surgeon? Does watching brain surgery on TV entitle me to call the surgeon up..tell him a better way to do a lobotomy...suggest where he should make improvements..all based on watching..and never doing? Grant you..dog breeding is not brain surgery, however the analogy is applicable. In Germany..one would have to earn the right to have an opinion..not based on observation..but based on "doing"..again..another cultural difference...Yes, I have seen American dogs who did not embody what I would consider ideal in both structure and temperament..and I have seen and owned import lines that do not embody the ideal either. C.Grainger > [Original Message] > From: <WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx>; <campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 12/15/2004 2:41:11 PM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: NEW STUD DOGS to CT > > In a message dated 12/15/2004 2:11:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, > hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > > > I have a dumb question...I read most these posts(and I am not directing > > this to anyone particularly)about improving American lines...adding things > > to American lines..etc..How can one know where improvements need to be made > > if one hasn't bred anything of exceptional quality with the lines they have > > from this country???? > > i would humbly guess its because they have eyes and they see what is being > shown and what is winning that should NOT be winning and they may aquire some > relatives to these Champion dogs who are not even close to the standard and they > want to improve that.. they can use American lines if they can find what they > are looking for there or they can go to the european, may take a few > generations, might take one.. but they know what is correct and they may feel the > american dogs they see are not correct, they lack temperament they like drive for > herding, training etc... so go to where they feel its more correct, or where > has more drive, sound temperament etc... > > just because someone isnt a breeder of "champion lines" or what others think > are "higher quality" doesnt mean they are any less a breeder. its who does > the right thing by following the standard and not making excuses for breeding > away from it purposely. its those who really look at their lines and are honest > when they say thier dog has sound temperament, has good healthy behind it... > some just feel its not fully there in certain american lines.. they see it > they follow it in European lines.. > > dawnmarie > > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================