There is another male, i forgot to mention, although he isnt new, he is from NY, been around for a little over a year a think. VA in the states Zeppo v Arminius. He is out of Scott v Deodatus son, Zeppo v Klebinger Schloss, whose dam is Ungana v d Wieneraru. Zeppos dam is an Ursus v Batu daughter, VA Zambia v Arminius. Zambias mother is a Matty v d Wienerau daughter He is deep red, real red, true red no clairol here lol very very nice mover. Has that nice front reach, like we like :) probably the 2nd best mover i have seen in the german ring (we know i like am bred, german combo, so would be nice to add to a great Am bred female) so i can say he moves similar to a correct am bred. very dark male. i took some pics of him last seasons shows and have some moving shots too. He has alot of puppies in our area, NJ, NY CT i havent seen them lately though.. i am abviously doing some research on potential stud dogs and i like to share what is out there, incase folks arent aware. I am not connected to any of them, so i dont have to feel bad about the one i choose. Zeppos owner i think belongs to the NNJ club, really nice guy, met him a few times. Great family and his older son has been handling at the akc matches :) this is good to know we need jrs!!!!!! Regards, Dawnmarie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================