[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: NEW STUD DOGS to CT
- From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx" <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx>, WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx, campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:36:23 -0600
Hi..I respect your opinion...and am not basing my statements on hearsay.
Early on in dogs.Steve and I both. started with import lines.Long before I
knew Steve..he did schutzhund and obedience..I,too spent a large sum of
money at that time on a puppy sired by a well-bred west German dog..out of
a bitch that was a well bred German bitch...I gave her away because of poor
temperament...when the owners had to crawl into the dog house to get the
dam..I should have know their were problems. I also had a half
German/amercian dog, that I tried to incorporate into my breeding
program..he produced some good obedience dogs..but nothing to show..no
matter who he was bred to....so I have already been this route.....when
breeding..I did not get the best of both worlds..genes don't evenly
distribute in that manner...some had American traits..some had German..and
some were just a mish mosh..bottom line...never got anything that I would
consider showable.I am not anti- using import lines...I just think it
should be done so in a judicious manner..only using the best American
bitches..with the best temperaments..bred to and equal import dog..keep
only the progeny that express the desired improvements.if there are
none..then you keep none. the fact that we can experiment in the fashion
that we do is testimonial to the cultural difference between the Germans
and Americans.C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: <Santanagsd1954@xxxxxx>
> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <WyMarGSD2@xxxxxxx>;
<campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 12/15/2004 1:52:32 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: NEW STUD DOGS to CT
>
> In a message dated 12/15/04 11:03:41 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> I have a dumb question...I read most these posts(and I am not directing
> this to anyone particularly)about improving American lines...adding things
> to American lines..etc..How can one know where improvements need to be
made
> if one hasn't bred anything of exceptional quality with the lines they
have
> from this country???? In other words..if you only have mediocre American
> dogs..and breed an import dog of fair quality to a mediocre American
> bitch...how do you make improvements? I venture to say..the Germans
> wouldn't prescribe to that breeding philosophy!!Americans do not have the
> German mind set..Americans wouldn't do well with a breed warden..if
> Americans had a breed warden..most wouldn't have the problems they
> currently have..there would be no keeping mediocre dogs..there would be no
> pampering and keeping dogs like humans..and dogs would be euthanized if
> found to be unworthy..Many.American GSD breeders look for reasons to keep
> dogs no matter how inferior and then want to make "improvements"..Germans
> only keep the best..sell the half-assed good ones to foreigners...and put
> down the rest...Breeding the GSD is Germany and most of Europe is a male
> dominated business...there isn't allot of room for pampering, indulging,
> and babying the dogs..plus it is a big business..the GSD is not the only
> breed that has originated in Germany..but it is the most profitable. If
the
> German breeders were truly interested in the breed...and not the
> profit..they would see that they could benefit form some of the progress
we
> in America have made in the breed..and would want to incorporate some of
> our dogs into their lines..thus broadening their gene pool...C.Grainger
>
>
> Christine: If American breeders are happy with what they are
producing,
> as many are, there isn't any need to add or change anything..
>
> I most tell you that I don't think the Germans are 'dumping' off their
bad
> products to the USA.. The German importers here and those buying are not
> stupid...
> For the most part many are serious students of the German Bloodlines
and
> follow the Shows and Progeny Classes very carefully..
> Many are able financially and are willing to step up and pay whatever
they
> ask..
> and these Quality ones with excellent producing conformation bred
> pedigrees are Many thousands of dollars.. It is not something that one
buys without
> serious consideration. Believe Me!!!
> Now the Euro is so far up againest the American Dollar that really
affects
> the purchase. I saw a very young bitch I wanted , but she was
15,000.00
> EURO . ..A Male I was interested in, but even at eight years of age
based
> on his producing ability and quality of his progeny, he was 38,000.00
EURO..
> ...
> So when Americans say the German's are dumping dogs on us, like a
wholesale
> cheap trick..That is not true. Shipping costs alone are very expensive
getting
> the Dogs from Germany or the other countries, into the USA.
>
> Soon we will have the advantage of the Twice German Sieger Yasko vd
> Farbenspeil standing at Stud for one year in this country. Many of us
plan to take
> advantage of him in spite of his Stud fee being 1500.00 US dollars..or
possibly
> more..
> I appreciate those who have paid the price to bring these Shepherds to
us..
> We will use them..for our own reasons..
> But you are right..These Shepherds are not for everyone, particularly
those
> who are not familiar with the bloodlines and the Shepherds in their
pedigrees.
> I believe only those who are outcross breeding with a thoughtful and
> well-defined plan and purpose , should consider bringing in the outcross
lines,
> and no one should just run out and breed to one on a whim.
> You need a plan and a long-range one with a well -defined direction of
where
> you are planning on going with the outcross progeny and their progeny...
and
> what is your ultimate goal.
>
> jmo Barb williams
>
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