[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your line
- From: SegerWind@xxxxxxx
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 13:06:28 EDT
HI Carolyn my question was: 1> What is the issue with out cross breeding
based on your previous post?
2. How is that any worse than the close line breeding over the last 20
years that has perhaps created health issues in our breed? Those are my
questions:) Thank you
Steven
Segerwinds
Home of Asgards Contezza
In a message dated 9/8/2010 11:41:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I'm not sure what the question is?
It is almost impossible to do a total outcross any more in the US with
Sundance
in just about every pedigree?
We typically linebreed more often than anything else......if that is the
question?
But I'm not clear on what "comment" you are asking about?
Carolyn _marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
_www.Marhaven.com_ (http://www.marhaven.com/)
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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:13 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your
line
Hi Carolyn I think any& all breeders need to be aware of the issues you
bring up here, I have a question on your comment on line breeding? Have
you
not line bred with your Males, we can look at pedigrees and see line
breeding, so is that wrong? How many generations have Andretti in the
pedigree,
or Welove duchiens R-man or GV Ucker. as I look at those pedigrees I would
say line breedingf? Correct me please if I am wrong:)
Steven
Segerwinds
Home of Asgard's Contezza
In a message dated 9/8/2010 9:58:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
_marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
Not that I know of.
My point is not that you or I or anyone else should inbreed or linebreed
or outcross.......but that I think
it's a little unfair to insist that a breeder that does all of the above
should grow a litter out until they are
middle age to prove they are all fine and healthy when they do a close
linebreeding because only
outcrosses are healthy sound litters..............? If that were the
case.....none of us would ever inbreed
or closely linebreed.
So I have a question for you........
Do you think a breeder that knows more about the lines they are using for
a close breeding is MORE
accountable than a breeder that does numerous outcrosses......?
Carolyn _marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
_www.Marhaven.com_ (http://www.marhaven.com/)
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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:18 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your
line
OK Carolyn I have a question?? Is or are out cross breedings any worse
than all of the "inbreeding"
that has occurred in/with our breed over the last 20 years?? I am asking
a legitimate question here
and I open to anyone's opinion here on the list.
Thanks
Steven
Segerwinds
Home of Asgard's Contezza
In a message dated 9/8/2010 9:14:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
_marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
Be glad to.........as soon as you send me a 4 generation pedigree of
outcrosses that have not
produced any issues.......and show me the entire litter on your property
that you raised to middle
age to prove there were no issues like you felt Mike should do with his
close breedings. <G>
Carolyn _marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
_www.Marhaven.com_ (http://www.marhaven.com/)
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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 6:03 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of
your
line
Carolyn if you have a 4 generation pedigree that hasn't produced any
issues, forward it to me please.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (_http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_
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In a message dated 9/7/2010 6:44:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
_marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) writes:
If you are utilizing and inbreeding on lines you know well, and have
not
had any health issues with
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