[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your line
- From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx>, <lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:43:05 -0700
If you are utilizing and inbreeding on lines you know well, and have not had
any health issues with....why
would you be more responsible for "growing them all out" than you would with
an outcross litter?
Can you say that only breeding outcrosses or "distant linebreeding" produces a
litter with no problems??
Would you feel an obligation to raise an entire litter to 2 yrs of age with a
complete outcross??
IF not......WHY not? Where is the difference??
ANY good Breeder takes full responsibility for their puppies! There is
absolutely no guarantee that
you will have all healthy sound puppies from an outcross.........not one iota
more than with an inbred or
closely linebred litter as long as you are using animals that have no health
issues!! No one should
knowingly breed lines with health issues that show up later......let alone
linebreed on them.
FLEE THEM!! THAT IS THE KEY!
Also....... an outside breeding into my or your 'inbred' or linebred stud or
from the bitch STILL does not
guarantee sound healthy puppies to your bitch any more than it would to an
outcross dog..
Wish that it were that simple IF it were that simple all the labradoodle
type 'designer crosses' would work!!
<G>
We personally prefer to do some linebreeding and close linebreeding and
occasionally an inbreeding.....but
lets not kid ourselves nor anyone else......that still does not guarantee all
sound puppies from one of our
studs or our bitches to an outside OR a linebred line. It's just another
tool to use wisely.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ;
spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your line
Well, I DO know my lines...I asking how long YOU keep and grow out an entire
litter that were produced
by inbreeding before YOU offer a boy to the public...like you said in an
earlier post, given that an awful
lot of issues don't show up until later.
You write below "He was bred several bitches with known problems, one had
produced 5 or 6
megaeosophegos puppies, the other had had GI issues of her own."
Geeze, I'm glad I'm not unsuspecting John Q public that bought a puppy from
either litter...I hope the
people who bought puppies from the first were informed that if bred, there
was a likelihood that their
puppies MAY produce mega. I'm not about throwing the baby out w/ the bath
water mind you, I have
bred dogs to bitches that had previously produced mega.
BUT call me crazy, I wouldn't knowingly breed one of my boys to a bitch who
had GI issues. I don't
want the calls from distraught owners and as a stud dog owner, I'm just as
responsible as the bitch owner
IMO. And unless you are growing out entire litters until well past middle
age when some immune disorders,
DM etc show up....well, then you can't say that inbreeding on such and such
a line is clear now can you?
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 9/7/2010 4:14:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Great question, I would say wait until you know your line(assuming you
have a line) for us, we waited until we had a male we thought we would offer
the breed(Select 2). Which was more than fifteen years into the breed, many
selections before arriving at that point. He was bred several bitches with
known problems, one had produced 5 or 6 megeosophegos puppies, the other
had had GI issues of her own. Both breeders were given complete history of
our line to make educated decisions. Both litters were healthy and had no
issues that I am aware of. Shortly after that he was inbred to a bitch that
already had some of our pedigree from two generations prior. A product of
that breeding was then bred back to the sire.
Lets just say we were very pleased with the results.
Thas my story and I'm sticking to it
regards,
M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica MacMillan" <spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your
line
Here's another question for you Mike :-)
How long do you think people should be in a breed before doing an
inbreeding? How many generations
should they have bred?
Just because someone is offering a dog at stud doesn't mean they know enough
to inbreed on it.
And yes, we do it too.
Jessica MacMillan
No Frills Dog Bathing Service & Design
Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com)
& The Shepherd Girls (Simmie, CGC, TDI, TC, HIC & Pepper, HIC)
Member of: DCA, GSDCA & GTCDC
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