Kathy Writes: Well, I DO know my lines Mike replles: As do I Kathy Writes: ...I asking how long YOU keep and grow out an entire litter that were produced by inbreeding before YOU offer a boy to the public...like you said in an earlier post, given that an awful lot of issues don't show up until later. Mike replles: I didn't say I inbreed before offering him, we do offer on a limited basis until we confirm what we know, how else could you produce an inbred You write below "He was bred several bitches with known problems, one had produced 5 or 6 megaeosophegos puppies, the other had had GI issues of her own." Kathy Writes: Geeze, I'm glad I'm not unsuspecting John Q public that bought a puppy from either litter...I hope the people who bought puppies from the first were informed that if bred, there was a likelihood that their puppies MAY produce mega. I'm not about throwing the baby out w/ the bath water mind you, I have bred dogs to bitches that had previously produced mega. Mike Replies: The first was done by the studs co-owner at the time, and we were unaware of the mega's till after the breeding(bitch owners hide things to). None the less that and the inbreeding confirmed he was not a carrier Kathy Writes: BUT call me crazy, I wouldn't knowingly breed one of my boys to a bitch who had GI issues. I don't want the calls from distraught owners and as a stud dog owner, I'm just as responsible as the bitch owner IMO. And unless you are growing out entire litters until well past middle age when some immune disorders, DM etc show up....well, then you can't say that inbreeding on such and such a line is clear now can you? Mike replies: You can if you have approptiately kept tabs on those breedings. Mikes Adds: It's not perfect Kathy, and if you are concerned about doubling up on genetic concerns I can understand a breedres hesitiation. I wouldn't use this tool lightly, but for an occasionly test of your line I dont think there is a better one to date. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================