I certainly think you have to have a degree of confidence in your stock to perform the breeding. We did. The old time(Huge opperations) could keep all there experiments so yes to some degree that is the approach. Thats not quite as easy to do these day's so for us we were very clear to those that acquired puppies as a result of those breedings. My point here Kathy is until genetic tests exist for every malady our breed suffers from, this is the only tool that will likely tell you if you are getting it right or not. regards, M ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx, lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 3:07:59 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Inbreeding - A tool to test the health of your line OK, here's a question. Are you growing out the entire litters and to what age? How old is a dog before you are comfortable issues won't crop up...you figure 4 weeks before you notice mega, 4-5 months for UAP, 2-3 years for epilepsy...but what about toxic gut, GDV, immune problems and DM????? How old before these "test cases" go into a pet home??? And are you going to wait 6-7 years (about the time you'd be comfortable saying no incidence of immune disorders, DN etc.) before you breed your boy??? Let's see, that would make him at least 7 years old. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against inbreeding, but when I breed a litter usually all but one go to companion homes. Should they pay with their emotions for my experiments?????? Or am I supposed to grow out entire litters so that I have a clear conscience? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 9/7/2010 2:55:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, spotted101@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: How long do you think people should be in a breed before doing an inbreeding? How many generations should they have bred? Just because someone is offering a dog at stud doesn't mean they know enough to inbreed on it. And yes, we do it too. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================