I used the "run" chkdsk with is kinda Dos I guess. It did not show anything. I would not know which services to disable so I won't do anything there. There is serveral service running though. I did get Dell to send the the software I need and free so that should be here tomorrow and the next day. I'll check on the Service control manager. thanks LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing. com & ComputersCustomBuilt. com wrote: Ok I see you've run chkdsk and defrag. Did you try the chkdsk /p version from pseudo-DOS or just right click the drive in Windows and go to Properties Tools then "Error checking"? The former does it a bit better. 402mb PF usage is high. There's probably even more XP Services running on this than a regular setup thanks to Dell. Check into that, and disable all the ones you don't need. You can usually disable about 20-30 of them. Also, if you haven't, see what's loading under the Start Up tab in Msconfig. See if there are any yellow marks in the Device Manager. Here's some info on "service control manager": http://www.windowsbbs.com/showthread.php? t=34443 http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms685150(VS.85).aspx (That one keeps crashing my PC, so I don't know what's there). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_Control_Manager Put this into a search engine to see others: "service control manager" error Event Viewer DHCP isn't just for wireless setups. -Clint God Bless Clint Hamilton, Owner http://www.OrpheusComputing.com http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "LarryB" Thanks Hugh, I have run all the spyware, antivir*s programs I have and they have found things but hasn't helped so far. As I mentioned I have the startup programs to a bare minimum. I have also run defrag, and chkdsk. The Event Viewer shows one error during startup called "service control manager" then about 10 "information" tags after the error. It also shows several DHCP type "warnings" that are probably due to the wireless setup. I have no idea what to do with any of these. LarryB K & L Electronics South Carolina Hugh Vandervoort wrote: There's a MS article here: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/expert/northrup_restoreperf.mspx In general, this means too many programs loading at startup, virus/spyware problems, need to defrag or run chkdsk. You might take a look in Event Viewer for disk errors or the like, but this is usually just a housekeeping task. A program like Windows Defender or Spybot will likely be a big help. Low RAM doesn't really affect startup. but this machine would benefit enormously from an upgrade. LarryB wrote: I have a Dell which is a neighbor computer that is very slow on startup. It is a Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop, 1.6g processor, 798mhz and 256 ram. The HD is 33g with 23g free. Running Windows XP with SP2 Now it takes 5 plus minutes to load the icons on the desktop and another 1 minute for the tray. Then it is ready to go. I have the tray down to AVG anti and fire wall, and Wireless, Audio, and power. I pull up Ctrl+Alt+delete and the performance is CPU 0 to 1% while the PF usage is 402 MB. This is with no applications running. I am presently doing a complete vir*s scan as my first step in trying to speed this computer up. Any help would be appreciated. One question is could it be that 256m of ram is too small? They use OE and IE as their main applications along with QuickBooks 2003. Thanks ========================= The list's FAQ's can be seen by sending an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with FAQ in the subject line. To unsubscribe, subscribe, set Digest or Vacation to on or off, go to //www.freelists.org/list/pcworks . You can also send an email to PCWorks-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with Unsubscribe in the subject line. Your member list settings can be found at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi/l=pcworks . Once logged in, you have access to numerous other email options. The list archives are located at //www.freelists.org/archives/pcworks/ . All email posted to the list will be placed there in the event anyone needs to look for previous posts.