Alan and all Hi, I have also been lucky to be taught by both the 'Old Engineers' and the mod= ern pratices that are used in todays industies. Have served my apprentership at Land Rover around the seventeen factories w= hich used to feed Solihull plant for building the complete vehicles, At the= time of my training in the late 1970's and now working for a Motor racing = team for seventeen years with the latest technology and inovations which i = now have at my disposall. Things that were taught in my youth by my father who had been a designer fo= r Napier in Acton held me in good steed for old and new processes which the= younger Apprentices of today(if there are any coming through in industry)a= re unable to pickup if the people whio are training them are too young them= selves. A link that i found on the Yahoo Groups pages which maybe of help to other = who might need or want to do some scraping is=20 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods/files/Alignment/ yours for now John Burridge=20 > Message Received: Jan 02 2006, 08:41 PM > From: "Alan Stepney" <alesara2@xxxxxxxxx> > To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc:=20 > Subject: [modeleng] Re: Scraping >=20 > I have been very fortunate in that in my early days, > I met many elderly(?) retired engineers who were > willing to teach a spotty (and probably tiresome) > youth some of what they had spent many years learning. >=20 > Hence I was shown how to scrape surfaces, use a file, > including draw filing, and many other techniques that > used to be a normal part of an engineers day. >=20 > As for chisels, I was at one guys house one evening as > he started on the frames of a 5=C2=94 locomotive. > As is quite common, the width of frame steel he needed > was non-standard and so he was cutting them from the > next-larger size. > Now, my way, and I thought about the only way, was to > turn a hacksaw blade round 90 Deg in the frame and > spend an evening cutting them down. >=20 > No. Totally wrong. >=20 > He carefully marked them out, and lightly dot punched > every couple of inches. He then grabbed a large cold > chisel, and a hammer of the size that Thor must use. > Within ten minutes they were close to size, and after > another ten minutes spent filing, there was a pair of > frames, neatly cut to the line, and with half the dot > marks showing. >=20 > Amazing.! > After that, he spent the rest of the evening teaching > me to use a chisel. >=20 > If I had learned 10% of what these guys showed me I > would be far more able than I am, but even so, I still > learned a lot and to them I will be for ever grateful. >=20 >=20 > It is such a shame that we have lost so much of our > engineering heritage that todays youngsters don=C2=92t have > the same opportunity of meeting those craftsmen who > =C2=93served their time=C2=94. >=20 > On the other hand, as from last Thursday I can draw my > pension. > Whilst my age means I met these guys, I=C2=92m not sure > that is any compensation for youth! >=20 > Alan >=20 >=20 >=20 > =09=09 > ___________________________________________________________=20 > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yaho= o! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >=20 > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to,=20 > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject= line. >=20 > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.